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Can't jumpstart - help!

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Peaquod, Dec 1, 2008.

  1. Peaquod

    Peaquod New Member

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    About two weeks ago, my prius wouldn't start, and there was an error message about a parking gear malfunction. I was able to jump start the car, and it has run fine until this morning. Ok, jumped it again no problem. Didn't leave it on long enough to recharge the 12V aux battery, so I had to jump it again later. It turned right on, but after I disconnected the jumper cables, it died immediately. So I reconnect the jumper cables, and now the headlights come on (!), but the car wouldn't start, no dome lights, no dash lights whatsoever. Reconnected the jumpers, (had been using a riding mower battery, now switched to a car), and the headlights stayed off, but the prius still wouldn't start. The power button blinks orange. Every second time I press it, the yellow engine light with the ! blinks once. Otherwise, there is no response from the car. Is there anything I can do? Please help!! Thanks!
     
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    firepa63 Former Prius Owner

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    Replace the 12v battery. It's not taking a charge and is probably due for replacement (assuming that it is the original battery).
     
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    OK - just replaced the aux battery. It was indeed depleted (~9V). However, still no response from the car, save for the quick flash of the check engine light. Any ideas??
     
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    Hi Peaquod, welcome to PriusChat and sorry you are having problems.

    This one sounds a bit unusual. As you report the old battery voltage, please check the new one as well to make sure that it is at least 12.6 v unloaded.

    It might be helpful to disconnect the new battery for several minutes and then reconnect and try another start. If nothing changes, it is hard to see an alternative to a tow to a Toyota shop. Remember, no flat towing.

    I don't want to instill unnecessary concern, but if by chance the jumping you did before involved a polarity reversal, you might be looking at some damage. The T shop should be able to sort it out, but by all means post more details because we can all learn from it.

    Good luck!
     
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    Ok - the 100A DC/DC fuse is blown. Bummer. I'm virtually certain I didn't reverse polarity on the jump, tho, so the inverter should be fine... right??
     
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    Hopefully. Replace the fuse and find out. As long as your cables were hooked up correctly your inverter should be fine.
     
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    OK next question - does anyone have guidance for how to remove the fusible link box?? It appears to be an absolute bear to pull out! Many thanks for any help.
     
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    I have not done it, but can generally remember the instructions posted by others.

    1. Disconnect 12 v battery
    2. That fuse box needs to be unbolted and lifted up - not sure exactly about the tiedown points
    3. With box lifted, the underside of the fuse needs to be unbolted. It is not a blade fuse
    4. You bought a new fuse already yes?
    5. reinstall

    This is the scenario I feared, and I very much hope that the fuse is the only fatality. You'll know very soon.

    For those with outboard inverters who may view this thread, pequod presents the symptoms you might see if your gadget presents a big load, and you have not fused it conservatively upstream. Take heed.

    To all - never ever reverse polarity to Prius with an external battery or charger. Not even in your dreams.
     
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    Ok, I gave up on replacing the fusible link assembly myself. It appears to be quite a project. But I bridged the gap in the blown 100A fuse with an alligator clip, and the car is fine! starts right up, no error codes, etc. Now to drive it 3 miles to the dealership and let them deal with it :) For who is wondering, I remain convinced that polarity was not reversed on the jump - because the jump worked. The failure came when I disconnected the cables. Perhaps the aux battery was so low that it tried to draw more than 100A from the inverter? Who knows. Anyway, the car does not appear to be seriously damaged. Whew.
     
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    Excellent work. Hopefully not to expensive a fix.
     
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    Sounds like the 12 vdc aux battery has a shorted cell. Usually, a battery with a shorted cell cannot be boosted, or if it can be, some odd things happen

    Let's hope it's just the Big Mean Fuse. If it was the inverter assembly, you could be looking at +$4,000
     
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    Follow-up: just got the car back from the dealer. $60 for the fuse link assembly, $140 for 1.5 hrs service, $207.32 total and the car seems good as new! Whew! Dealer said the fuse box assembly itself was shorted. They mentioned that it was quite a hassle to pull that assembly out, so I'm glad I had the sense to abandon the job before I got in too deep.

    BTW, similar to the post about installing a 12V battery with reverse polarity, I also blew the ETCS and Dome fuses. Maybe the fact that I was using a small riding mower battery for the jump saved me the $4K+ inverter failure. Who knows. All I know is I will never jump this car again!
     
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    That sounds scary. So it was an electrical short or defect in the fuse box assembly itself?

    Boosting or charging the little 12 v battery is safe, as long as you follow reasonable precautions

    I use a VDC Battery Minder on my Prius, actually have for almost four years now. It works fine and the battery is strong
     
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    I can't find the link here right now, but someone described their experience replacing the 100 amp fuse. It involves removing the underhood fuse block, and is complicated by stiff wires with no slack connected to hard-to-access terminals.
     
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    Where is that fuse box assy?
     
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    Hello to all - Happy holidays. After reading several posts like this one I purchased a new 12V aux battery at the 2 year mark. The old one is on a float charger in the garage and is used for emergency type stuff (ham radio - powering my tankless water heater in power outages etc.) My wife and I drive our 2005 prius alot every week, so our 12V aux battery is always charged up. The float charger keeps the spare battery at 12.42 Volts, occasionally I will charge it with a battery charger at 12V and 2 AMPS. Usually only for an hour or two max.

    My only advice to new owners would be to make SURE that you do not leave any lights on in the car, doors open all night...etc etc.

    This great little car seems to have an achilles heel that is the 12V aux battery. Heads up in the winter months with your prii out there. Lucky for us our car is parked inside our garage at night, and overnight temps in Southern California are not that low.
     
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    Remove the cover of the main relay/fuse box located near the inverter. Find the 5" long white/clear plastic box within. That contains the various fuse links.
     
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    OK Pat, I wasn't sure if the OP was talking forward or aft. I wonder what could cause a factory finished assy to short to ground, unless that area was tinkered with....
     
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    Hi Andy,

    Recall that the OP's original problem was a failed 12V battery. Apparently the current surge while jumpstarting caused the fuse box to overheat (prior to the 100A DC/DC fuse link popping) and resulted in a short. 13.8VDC produced by the DC/DC converter x 100A = ~1,400W of power, which can produce considerable damage if focused on a small spot.