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Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Main Forum' started by gilmore753, Jan 14, 2009.

  1. Manksgloob

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    I would gladly trade off the 17" rims from the Platinum to get the moon roof while keeping the LED headlights, IPA, LKA, and dynamic cruise control.
    Do the latter modules really add significant weight? :-(

    I suppose the extra body sensors and heat sinks for the LEDs could add some weight...

    Maybe I could compensate if I lost a few pounds off myself. :D
     
  2. darelldd

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    My plan too! Order all the goodies, and start eating more salads. ;)
     
  3. Tideland Prius

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    Btw, I think Toyota gave away another clue as to the packaging of the Prius.

    Note that in one of the official shots, there is a picture of streamlines intending to show that the solar panel is powering the fans. Also note that the radio is in place of a navigation system.

    This means that the solar panel moonroof will be available in a cheaper package (it also seems to lack the JBL logo). Looks like they plan to sell as many solar panel moonroofs as they can to try an lower the cost. Good move for those who want the panels without leather or nav or JBL.
     
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    If it wasn't that it seemed the cars from the photos were very similar to what we sat in, I'd agree. Only thing that says they're not is the blue they're showing has cloth, whereas the blue we sat in had leather.

    I feel they may have simply been showing off the location of the vents w/ the ribbons as well. Note also the car in that photo is powered on (IG-ON at least), which likely wouldn't the the case w/ solar being active.

    I'd like to think the choices wouldn't be so limited, but I think the illustration wasn't specific to the solar vent, but rather vent placement and function instead.
     
  5. Tideland Prius

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    I didn't check if the POWER button illuminates (to the IG-ON amber light) but the dashboard does light up as does the climate control when I played around with the Remote A/C function.
     
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    Was the car powered off completely before pushing the remote A/C button or left in IG-ON? You may be right as I didn't get to test the feature directly (too many people around the car doing too many different things).
     
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    Completely off, I made sure of it. All the doors (including hatch) were closed too. I was able to turn the Remote A/C on and off with the fob.
     
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    As long as they make it known to us that there could be/will be a MPG hit by getting all the tech goodies, 17" rims and moonroof/solar we should still be able to pre-order the Platinum with ALL options especially since we're willing to PAY to have 'it all'... Sorry but I'm still not giving up on this Toyota. :cool:
     
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    Good to know. Could you imagine someone walking by the car and having the lights suddenly come on all on their own? "It's alive!"
     
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    Yeah but not for the first year to get the EPA rating. It'll probably come around.

    Just like how the current Prius is still rated the same even though 16" alloys are optional which will knock a few mpg off both city and highway numbers.

    haha.. wouldn't that be cool.
     
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    If they do that, what a crock to those of us ordering early...
     
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    Lots of talk out there about all this "extra weight" for 17" alloy wheels, moonroof, and tech goodies. Right off the bat, I'm going to throw the BS flag at the extra weight of tech goodies. What are we talking about, a couple pounds at most? I'll take a stab at guessing that the 17" wheels weigh about 15-20 lbs more than the 15" wheels, and the glass moonroof/motor weighs 10 lbs more than the metal it replaces. Overall, nothing significant. I think the larger wheels result in a 1 mpg penalty due to the larger wheel well and tire size, not because of the weight.

    If someone has actual figures (or at least a better guess), please chime in.

    Until then, I am not convinced that the "extra weight" is the reason why Toyota isn't offering the whole bag of goodies in the special pre-order offer. I think it's more of a sales experiment to test if people will definitively prefer the solar panel over the tech goodies, given a choice of one or the other. I think in the end (and I hope), that Toyota will offer a package with all of goodies.
     
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    The 2010 Prius Chief Engineer's notes suggest that the Gen III with 17" wheels and 215/45/17 tires will get 47 mpg, i.e., 3 fewer mpg than the Gen III with 15" wheels and 195/65/15 tires which is projected to get 50 mpg.

    This makes sense to me based on: (1) anecdotal info from current Prius owners who have put lightweight 17" wheels and 205 mm tires on their car, and (2) Consumer Reports finding that the Gen II Touring Prius with its 195/55/16 tires got 2 fewer mpg than the Gen II Standard Prius with its 185/65/15 tires.
     
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    You gotta pay to play.

    Those who bought a 2004 Canadian model didn't have a navigation option (offered in 2005). Those who bought a 2005 model didn't have the chance to get a backup camera (2006 model). Those who bought a 2006 model didn't get a chance to get a backup camera without nav (2007). If you bought in 2008, you wouldn't have been able to take advantage of the price drop (2008). If you bought an early 2008, you would've have been able to get the 2nd price drop.

    So if you were in Canada, you'd never be satisfied.
     
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    I'm willing to pay but they won't allow us the chance to play, with ALL the new tech goodies in one package. It's just stupid to not offer something as radical as solar panels in a production vehicle along with a package that has all these other tech goodies that would otherwise make the car loaded...
     
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    The tyre sizes have been chosen to be very close in actual rolling circumference. In fact the 17" wheel is slightly smaller, so the odometer will read slightly further and speedometer read slightly faster than you're actually doing, by about 1.5%. A 50% profile would be 2% larger than the 15" tyre.

    Try this calculator and plug in the numbers.

    If made of the same material, the 17" wheel will be heavier than the 15" just due to having more material. I suspect most of the loss is due to greater rolling resistance of the wider tyre, though. I'm not sure which way the fuel economy gauge would misread - I think stating more miles per gallon than actually achieved, because the car thinks more miles have been travelled than actual.

    The 16" wheel on the Touring (and UK Prius) is a 195/55R16 compared to the base model's 185/65R15. That ends up with a 0.1% difference in circumference, so the speedo reads 0.1% too fast (and the odometer, 0.1% too far).

    See also the Wheel and Tire Bible (CarBibles.com).
     
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    You'll see more discrepancy than that over the course of normal wear of properly sized tires.

    My non-OEM Goodyear Allegra tires yield about 1-2 mph error at the "correct" size, and the spedo has another intentional 2mph error included at 62mph true. For instance, I can be doing 100km/h and the speedo reads 64mph (should be 62mph), and the radar speed signs may say 60-61mph.

    One would think, however, that there would be some sort of ECU calibration w/ the wheel/tire package kit to factor in the slight difference.
     
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    So for pre-order, sounds like Silver = Prius III, Gold = Prius IV w/ Solar, Plat is Prius V w/ Advanced Tech.