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2009 RAV4 Limited electric vehicle

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by PeakOilGarage, Feb 6, 2009.

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  1. PeakOilGarage

    PeakOilGarage Nothing less than 99.9

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    If you have taxable income, there are a lot of tax credits on these vehicles. At least $7,500 from the federal government. I think the current bailout bill in congress is trying to raise that amount to $10,000. Then there are also likely some tax breaks in your state.

    Our goal is to get the final cost to the consumer down below $50,000 when the tax credits are included.
     
    #21 PeakOilGarage, Feb 6, 2009
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    ok you guys... this is a BRAND NEW 100% highway capable EV...

    used Rav 4 EV's go for the same $50,000 and they do not use Li batteries...now with gas getting cheaper, they may be as low as $40,000 BUT

    1) they are used
    2) they have much less battery technology in NiMH

    personally i think its an excellent price... what else is there??? ok, lets get a Tesla for a mere 110,000.... or get their family version which btw, is not available yet AND will be the same $55,000

    my only question? will it be dual charge capable?
     
    #22 DaveinOlyWA, Feb 6, 2009
  3. PeakOilGarage

    PeakOilGarage Nothing less than 99.9

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    Recharges on 220v or 110v.

    5 hours on 220 volts and 30 amps.
     
    #23 PeakOilGarage, Feb 6, 2009
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    How is heating and air conditioning managed?
    What is the warranty on the battery?
    What additional, if any, monitoring equipment is added?
    Will there be any crashworthiness testing?
     
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    ok, well 110 is a REQUIREMENT for me. fast charging is a very low priority especially with a range over 100 miles. most of my charging is at work (i work 10 hour shifts) or at home which it would sit all night.

    i also do opportunity charging which i term as "display" charging since i only do it in order to let other people know that it is available.

    i would be definitely interested. i have been to your place a few times, nothing recently...

    kinda funny though. last time i was there was when i was Zenn shopping in summer 2007. you had a *USED* RAV 4 EV it was a 2003 or 2002.... dont remember... asking price was

    umm...

    oh ya!!

    around $55,000 i believe and it did have a new NiMH battery pack!!

    so now we have BRAND NEW top of the line trim package with Li batteries... same price, hmmm... put that out on E bay, u will have a ton of takers as soon as gas hit $3
     
    #25 DaveinOlyWA, Feb 7, 2009
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    Fully integrated fluid water heater
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    Two years. This chemistry of battery will likely provide useful life of 100,000 miles and be at 80% of original capacity.

    Fully integrated digital instrumentation


    The regular crash testing from Toyota. The weight distribution after the conversion is still within standard limits so that nothing further is necessary.
     
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    PeakOilGarage Nothing less than 99.9

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    The four used RAV4 EV conversions have sold for between $42,000 and $50,000. Those did not have any tax credits or sales tax breaks because they were used vehicles.

    I am not sure what the used factory Toyota RAV4 EV sold for. On Ebay they seem to go for between $40,000 to $60,000 depending on the condition.
     
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    ok. got the power train info. what is specs on car???

    AC ok, but what else is included? BT,
    Nav whatever?

    can i go to Toyota website and just look at RAV 4 limited?
     
    #28 DaveinOlyWA, Feb 7, 2009
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    I like it!
    But what the EV range ... say if one's doing a constant 60mph on level ground.
     
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    That is a good point. I have seen a used one for nearly $50k
     
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    32 KWH pack, look at 4-5 miles per kWH... thats 130-160 miles toss a bit of reserve, it should do easy 125 miles

    and as far a price of used RAV 4EV's... they maybe $40,000 now but when gas was $3.50 it was hard to find one for sale and impossible to find one for less than $50K
     
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    I hate to say that when I saw this thread my first thought was "email Darrell and see if this is a scam"
    My second thought is how sad it is that the Rav4 has grown so much. A smaller EV would be better for me. I already have the big car (prius).
    Good luck with the conversion. I'll have to pay attention in case my non-prius needs to be replaced.

    Are there any leads on new-convertible cars that are smaller yet still could handle the weight?
     
    #32 essaunders, Feb 7, 2009
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    I am very interested.
    Once you get the needed interest (6 orders?) how long will it take you to do the work and ship (I am in Minnesota)?
    What level of choice do we have with the Rav4, can we choose the Rav4, you order it and convert it?
    Just to make sure I understand, the finished product will have an electric motor, no ICE? Any info yet on how heater and/or AC use will affect the range?
    PM me and I will forward you my personal contact information.
     
    #33 Zythryn, Feb 7, 2009
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    The 32kWh battery weights close to 900lbs. If put on a Prius, it barely can carry one driver and overloading the Prius. The choice of the RAV4 is mandatory. There is not enough weight carrying capacity to convert a small car like a Yaris.
    The design of a passenger long range EV must be from the ground up.
     
    #34 bedrock8x, Feb 7, 2009
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    If you are referring to Darrell of Darell's Electric Vehicle Page then I think he knows us well enough to confirm that The Green Car Company is very serious about this project. We have converted over 150 Prius hybrids to the Hymotion plug-in system. You can easily find us on the Hymotion/A123 website as the certified installer.
     
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    PeakOilGarage Nothing less than 99.9

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    We have done four used RAV4 EV conversions already. We are starting now on the first new 2009 RAV4 EV conversion. I am hoping it is ready by April 22nd on Earth Day. It takes 6-8 weeks to get all of the parts. Then the actual conversion takes one week.

    I want to use that first new RAV4 EV as a promotional vehicle (media, customer test drives) for about one month, then we will likely sell it with less than 1,000 miles on it. It is still a new vehicle and eligble for the tax credits as long as it has less than 1,500 miles on it when it is titled.

    Of course, if we get enough serious orders before then, we will start the process on six new conversions right away. I estimate the first one will be done within 10 weeks. They each take one week if the parts are all on hand.

    Yes. There is plenty of time to find the exact model RAV4 and color. The big time issue is waiting for parts.

    No ICE. Pure electric. The ICE and parts are sold to offset costs.
    I am sure that heater and/or AC use will affect range. But I cannot quantify it yet. I will try to get an estimate for you.
     
    #36 PeakOilGarage, Feb 7, 2009
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    Awesome, I'll move this to emails with you:)
     
    #37 Zythryn, Feb 8, 2009
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    I am very interested in getting into a plug-and-drive EV for daily commuting
    and have been watching the ups and down of the development of the Think Ox,
    BYD, and the Mitsubishi offering with probable asking prices around $30K. All
    are somewheres off in the misty future with Mitsu being the most likely to
    arrive in show rooms first.

    More to the point of this thread, as to the ~$55K asking price, the eBox, an all
    electric Scion Xb with very similar specs (range, speed, etc.) also appears to
    have a $55K price tag:

    http://www.acpropulsion.com/ebox/AC_Propulsion_eBox_specifications.pdf

    So, at least at this time, for $55K you can have the smaller Scion, or the
    larger Rav4 with all the trimmings. :)

    PeakOilGarage,
    My apologies for my earlier post which was meant to be humorous, but in
    retrospect sounds sarcastic and cynical. Anything much over $30K is
    unfortunately out of my price range. :(
     
    #38 Rokeby, Feb 8, 2009
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    Rokeby,
    If you already have a 2008 Prius, then you are already 90% of the way to having your EV/PHEV.
    Go with the Hymotion plug-in system. 25 miles of pure EV.
    If you have access to an outlet for recharging at work, you can easily double your daily range.

    We have been doing the math on costs for a 2009 Toyota Prius Hymotion Plug-In. We have sold these with only package #6 and it is about a $40,000 car that way. With the sales tax savings in Washington and the federal Plug-In tax credits, there are about $6,000 in tax savings on that vehicle.

    However on a Package #2 Prius starting at $24,000 that vehicle sold as a Plug-In brand new would be $34,000 and have about $5,000 in state and federal tax savings. So the real cost to the consumer is equivalent to a $29,000 vehicle.

    That is a compelling value compared to anything else out there. $29,000 for a 4 door, 5 passenger vehicle that can easily achieve 100+ mpg and can maintain a pure EV mode for 25 miles.
     
    #39 PeakOilGarage, Feb 8, 2009
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    Truly, this just makes me giddy!

    I'm glad others have covered the cost stuff. I tried to reply, but lost my post. The $50,000 price point is a freaking steal for a low-volume car with these specs.


    Very curious about this. What actually makes the heat for the heater? Is the factory AC not belt-driven? Or are gas cars now coming with electric compressors?

    How is thermal management handled? Brand of batteries?

    What controller is used? Regen?

    Definitely on the up-and-up.

    Yeah, I sure here you there! I really have no use for a vehicle this size. A fully-electric Prius is my dream...

    Yup. If I had an official stamp, I'd give it. ;)
     
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