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2004 Prius Lost Power while Driving... help?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by jingoro, Feb 25, 2009.

  1. jingoro

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    Just had a rough experience in my Prius that I want to share, and see if anyone has any useful insights....

    Last Friday, my 2004 Prius, with 100,700 miles on it (700 miles past my extended warranty!!!!), died while I was driving it. While I was driving on the freeway, the red triangle master warning light came on, along with the MFD warning light, check engine light, and the (( ! )) light to the right of it.

    After a few minutes, the red parking brake light came on, along with a constant beep/alarm sound. When this happened, I was in the process of exiting the freeway and trying to find a safe place to pull over.

    Unfortunately, a few moments later, while I was stopped at a traffic light, this message came up...

    "The transmission P lock mechanism is abnormal. Park your car at a flat place, and apply the parking brake completely."

    And the car wouldn't budge.

    I tried restarting the car a few times, and got it working again -- interestingly the warning messages were all gone -- and was able to move a little further down the road before the whole thing happened again.

    I towed the car to the Toyota dealership, and after spending a few days on it, they came back and said that this was all caused because I ran out of gas.

    I don't buy it. Yes, the low fuel light had just come on, but I knew I was good for at least another 40 miles (I had put in 10 gallons, had driven 380 miles to that point, and have been averaging 450 miles between fillups). Also, after the first time the car died, I was able to drive it an additional 1/4 mile using the ICE engine... so there definitely was some gas left.

    After searching these forums, I suspect that it could be because my 12V battery is still the original one, and is due for a replacement. But could a bad 12V battery cause all these problems while the car is being driven??? It seems I should've seen some symptoms at startup first...

    I've driven the car another 25 miles since I got it back from the dealership, but I'm worried that the dealership's diagnosis is incorrect and that the problem is going to come back...
     
  2. Bill Merchant

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    I said to myself, "Ran out of gas" by the time I got to the third paragraph. Nothing you describe is inconsistent with running out of gas. If you search here and read the threads about running out of gas, you'll find the symptoms you had over and over again. And the comment "Don't think you have gas if the last pip starts blinking. It means GET GAS NOW!"

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  3. jingoro

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    Thanks for the reply, Bill.

    The thing is, I had done a search before I posted, looking for the anything dealing with the error message "transmission lock mechanism is abnormal"... and every one of these posts talk about the 12V battery or something worse... I didn't see one that says it's a symptom of no gas.
     
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    As has been stated over and over on this forum, the gas gauge is a "guess gauge" exacerbated by the variable capacity bladder gas. You cannot really definitively know how further you can go on 1 pip.
     
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    I understand, but again, what does that have to do with the "transmission lock mechanism is abnormal" message that constantly came up? Unless I'm doing the search wrong, this has nothing to do with running out of gas.
     
  6. Patrick Wong

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    If you are serious about not wanting the problem to come back, then I suggest that you take the following two actions:

    1. Replace the 12V auxiliary battery now. Since it is ~5 years old it has very low capacity and cannot provide sufficient power when you have an emergency situation like the one you described in your OP. This is why the transmission warning msg and the brake beep alarm appeared. Those are clues that the voltage on the 12V bus was seriously low because the car was out of gas and the battery could not provide sufficient voltage to keep the electrical systems running.

    2. A DTC is logged when the Prius is out of gas. If your dealer says that the car was out of gas, I would believe that.

    You say that you added 10 gallons at your last refill. Is it possible that the gas station pump had an error so that you actually pumped a lesser quantity? Is it possible that you drove the car in such a way as to yield lower-than-normal mpg? Was your car on a slope so that the remaining fuel in the tank could not be picked up by the fuel pump? (Or perhaps some combination of these possibilities occurred?)

    It is known that you cannot count on consistent results regarding how much fuel is remaining when the fuel gauge is a solid one bar or a blinking one bar. So, I suggest you give yourself safety margin and refuel at two bars - unless you need drama in your life and like walking to a gas station...
     
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    What that has to do with the transmission lock message is that after you ran out of gas you foolishly continued to drive until the HV battery was depleted to a low SOC, and even restarted, pulling down both the HV battery and the 12V battery. The low 12V system caused the transmission message.

    If you got an "low oil pressure" warning would you continue to drive?

    There is a lesson here.

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    Or there could have been a contaminant settled in the tank... which the fuel level would have dropped down to.

    In the days before ethanol, we'd have encounters with water. That would temporarily cause a stalling out-of-gas effect.
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    I'm not posting a response, people think I'm a nagger.
     
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    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    Now, with too much ethanol, we have encounters with trees.

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    You're not a nagger, you're a good conscience :_>
     
  12. jingoro

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    Thanks for all the feedback everyone... I now know the signs of what to watch out for, and will refuel well in advance...

    I'll think I'll replace the 12V battery as a precautionary measure too.

    A little backstory why I didn't totally trust the dealer... after a Prius tech road testing the car, they told me that the center display was bad, because..

    1) They put in 3.5 gallons of gas in, and the gauge is now showing half full (we all know the gauge can be inaccurate, so this I disregarded)

    2) They told me that the speedometer was busted because it was showing a speed 20 miles faster than the tech was driving.

    The dealer wanted $895 to replace the part + labor.

    I was exceedingly wary about this because I thought I would've noticed a 20 mph difference in speed... so I declined the part, and asked to get my car back to see the problem first hand.

    By now, I bet most of you could guess what was wrong... the speedometer was set to km/h!
     
  13. qbee42

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    Can you find another dealer?

    Tom