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Profile of Hybrid Drivers - Our Poll

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by bwilson4web, Feb 27, 2009.

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Profile of Hybrid Drivers

Poll closed Mar 20, 2009.
  1. Salary above $92,500/yr?

    31 vote(s)
    33.7%
  2. Salary at or below $92,500/yr?

    60 vote(s)
    65.2%
  3. Age above 45?

    59 vote(s)
    64.1%
  4. Age at or below 45?

    32 vote(s)
    34.8%
  5. Post 4-year college studies?

    48 vote(s)
    52.2%
  6. Post high school studies?

    49 vote(s)
    53.3%
  7. Not finished high school or equivalency?

    2 vote(s)
    2.2%
  8. In past year: skiing, hiking (or hunting) or yoga?

    29 vote(s)
    31.5%
  9. In past month: texting, phone photo, digital recorder?

    55 vote(s)
    59.8%
  10. In past month: digital recorder, Sat. TV, video game?

    46 vote(s)
    50.0%
  11. In past month: Ebay, Craigslist, online auctions?

    49 vote(s)
    53.3%
  12. Politically: Democrat or leaning?

    49 vote(s)
    53.3%
  13. Politically: Republican or leaning?

    19 vote(s)
    20.7%
  14. Politically: Independent?

    18 vote(s)
    19.6%
  15. Peak fuel price: $20+/gal.

    5 vote(s)
    5.4%
  16. Peak fuel price: $10-19.99/gal.

    12 vote(s)
    13.0%
  17. Peak fuel price: $5-9.99/gal.

    30 vote(s)
    32.6%
  18. Peak fuel price: $current-4.99/gal.

    32 vote(s)
    34.8%
  19. Opinions of non-hybrid owners: clueless about fuels

    39 vote(s)
    42.4%
  20. Opinions of non-hybrid owners: plenty, drill Baby, drill

    20 vote(s)
    21.7%
  21. Hybrid satisfaction: very happy

    84 vote(s)
    91.3%
  22. Hybrid satisfaction: somewhat happy

    9 vote(s)
    9.8%
  23. Hybrid satisfaction: another car, so what

    1 vote(s)
    1.1%
  24. Hybrid satisfaction: surely there is something better

    1 vote(s)
    1.1%
  25. Hybrid satisfaction: For Sale!

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    This poll was inspired by "Profile of Hybrid Drivers" published in March 31, 2006, nearly three years ago. It is an attempt to find out if some of these claims are reflected in our membership. So enjoy and have fun. The article explains the questions but the format is designed to get quantitative numbers.

    Bob Wilson
     
  2. sdtundra

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    Are we supposed to reply if we meet any of the criteria?

    If so,

    I am an environmental science major currently working as an EMT. So no degree here.

    I am well below the average age of 50, at 19(20 on March 23).

    I do enjoy hiking occasionally, but prefer riding my bike on the boardwalk or around the local lake.
     
  3. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Do your best and don't worry about it. Think of it as a crude form of MMPI (Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory) for fun.

    Ahem, you'll notice I included hunting as a walking exercise. I would also include walking a dog since a dog on a leash is always hunting.

    What happened is I got kinda of tired of seen "me too" postings without any attempt to quantify the number. Seriously, folks don't go back and count postings to figure out anything. But a nice (or even not so nice) poll with a couple of clicks, 90% of the cases covered in the original article are quickly resolved. So we'll have some basis of understanding.

    Of course this begs the question, what do non-hybrid owners think? The only way to address that would be to find a non-hybrid, car owning forum somewhere ... somewhere ... and post the exact same poll. This would give us something to compare against this poll, a basis of estimate.

    Nominations for non-hybrid forums are now open!

    Bob Wilson
     
  4. sdtundra

    sdtundra Senior Member

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    Gotcha, when I posted my original response the poll was not up yet.
     
  5. timwalsh300

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    What is the question about Peak Fuel Price? The highest I think gasoline will ever cost? In what time frame - within the next 5 years or within my lifetime or beyond? Nominal or inflation adjusted dollars?

    Sorry, I spend a lot of time thinking about economics.

    Tim
     
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    I'm not sure I understand the options regarding "Opinions of Non-Hybrid Drivers" either... They both sound negative... Can you explain?

    I just think that most of them value different aesthetics, performance, size, or reputation over the efficiency and costs of getting from A to B. Or they don't understand (or have misconceptions) about how to compute costs and don't realize why a Prius is a good deal.

    As for those who actively go around bashing the hybrids, I think they are misinformed and wrapped up in what they (mistakenly) believe is a partisan political issue.

    Tim
     
  7. bwilson4web

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    I was trying to address our understanding of the state of oil prices and did it badly. That is why a practice poll like this is so useful, to get the kinks worked out.

    So in designing the question, I was trying to find out if hybrid owners are more or less positive or negative in our opinions about the prospect for fuel in the future. But sometimes I think in 'engineer' and write in rubbish. I would welcome any suggestions and changes that might make this:
    1) generic poll - something so the same questions would work in a non-hybrid forum
    2) fixes my unskilled attempts to craft a question
    You know there are folks paid big bucks to screw up polls as badly as I did with this one. <GRINS>

    I am serious about accepting improved questions ... to refine the poll. We can then try it out in a couple of non-hybrid forums and see what happens. We might all learn something.

    One obvious problem is the technology identified three years ago in 2006 has lost its ability to measure 'electro-technical skills.' When all three questions have the same numbers of responders, we're not learning anything.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Oh, I see...

    You aren't asking what I think about non-hybrid owners...

    You are asking what I think their opinion is on the future of gasoline... whether I think they are blissfully ignorant or just wrong (believing that fossil fuels are infinite)?

    Of course, both answers assume that we believe fossil fuels are running out. A hybrid owner could legitimately believe otherwise and like his/her hybrid for other reasons.

    Tim
     
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    nhguy78 whirr...........

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    May I add that I earn WAAAAAY less than $92K or whatever it is. I'm like around $50K. I have a 2yr degree and working on 4yr.
     
  10. bwilson4web

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    With 40 responses, a few things about this first generation survey are coming clear:

    • vehicle satisfaction - the lower three questions are not really useful, in part because this is a self-selected poll (Internet Prius owners.) In the future, combine lower three "another car or could be better" into one.
    • technical skills - no useful information, need to come up with a better discriminator: personal GPS (?), text-key cell phone (?), Web phone (?), personal laptop vs desktop (?)
    • future fuel price - range too steep, perhaps expected highest fuel cost: $3-5, $5-7, $7-9, $9+
    • education - too steep, years: 0-12, 13-15, 16-17, 18+ Alternative: through high school, some college, college degree, beyond college
    • age - looks OK but might go: under 35, 36-45, 46-55, 56+
    • salary - looks OK
    This survey gives insights and is also useful to improve the quality for a comparative study involving other car forums. Ideally, the improved survey would appear in multiple forums, say the first week in May, and let folks know this is part of a set of family sedan surveys.

    Bob Wilson
     
  11. timwalsh300

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    Bob, here is how I would alter the survey...

    Income: Under $60k, $60-100k, Over $100k
    Age: Under 35, 35-54, 55+
    Education: High school or less, Some college, 4-year degree, Post 4-year degree
    In the last year: Participated regularly in outdoor sports or activities?

    Let me break here and say that the technology question is really hard... First, our numbers are going to be very skewed by the simple fact that answering the survey already demonstrates comfortable use of a computer, the Web, and interactive content (forums). Second, in the original survey I would appear to be not very comfortable with technology despite having a B.A. in Computer Science and work experience as an IT consultant and software engineer. The reason is not that I don't like technology but that I'm young and focused more on getting financially stable than spending money on gadgets right now.

    Politically: Those are fine
    Fuel Price (within next 5 years, in 2009 dollars): $1.00-$2.99, $3.00-$4.99, $5.00-$9.99, $10.00+
    Non-hybrid owners: Just aren't thinking very far ahead about gas prices?, Wrongly believe that gas will always be this cheap?, Have nothing to worry about regarding the price of gas?
    Hybrid satisfaction: Those are fine

    Tim
     
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    galaxee mostly benevolent

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    i had to laugh at the $92.5k/year question. i may have the postgrad education, but being a grad student doesn't pay well. that's many times my income...
     
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    The result of hybrid satisfaction was amazing. Given that the type of person that participates in Priuschat, the result was probably to be expected. The poll was interesting, I think that no matter what the imaginitive parameters used by the poll taker, the results are always going to be somewhat subjective. It's probably not possible for any poll producer to come up with real objective questions. Too objective takes the fun out of it.
     
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    $92.5k sounds arbitrary to me... where does that even come from? It's neither a round number nor a cut-off for an income tax bracket...

    Tim
     
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    Great comments! Thanks!!

    I can clear up that $92,500 question with a quote from the original article:
    I just split the difference. Crude but I needed some place to start. To some extent we are all self-selected by Internet access and significant web time at places like PriusChat. <grins>

    This first poll runs a couple more weeks and I'll use the comments to come up with a good working poll while researching other, $25k, family sedan sites. Right now, I don't have a good list and may do something really 'brain dead' like survey the vehicles in a parking lot.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Is income gross, and is it household or personal ? I think the datum from other surveys tends to be gross household, but often it is not clear.
     
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    OK, as for texting, I have a tracfone and don't even know how to text.
    I have this phone for emergencies and don't have it on.
    Have had satellite for years, just got a DVR(actually duals) and am like a kid in a candy store as I am no longer stockpiling VHS tapes I may never get around to watch. I record shows like Lost, CSI(s), Fringe, Life on Mars, Top Gear, etc.
    I have a expensive digital camera for pictures. Last video game I liked was "Pong".
    e-bay Craigs list, buy and sell, classic car parts.
    some of the categories shouyld have been separated and not grouped.
     
  18. nerfer

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    Yeah, this one kinda confused me too. Both answers are about the same, as far as I figure it. You can be both wrong and clueless.
     
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    I'm not sure how adaptable your salary question is to overseas; American workers seem to be better paid than UK workers, but then you have (very) large private healthcare insurance to pay for - you pay nearly as much tax as we do, but IMO get less for it.

    Anyway, I'm in the top 20% of salaried workers if you cover both genders, top 30% of males. Female salaried workers get stiffed; were I female and earning the same amount, I would be in the top 10%. See the All Employees data from UK National Statistics (PDF, links to XLS). On a strict currency conversion at today's rates, I earn less than $60k. I'm a Software Engineer with seven years' experience, but working in a smaller business (under 30 employees, only 10 are developers.)

    You'd have to be in the 90th percentile of male full-time salaried workers to earn as much as $90,000. The 90th percentile is actually only $77k at present.

    (The House Price indices use the mean male gross annual pay, for salaried workers, to calculate their 'affordability index'. The vast number of non-salaried workers, and females, and the fact that the mean is skewed heavily towards better-paid workers, make this a poor measure. The current 'average' house price in the UK is still nearly 4.5x even this badly-selected 'average' earnings. A better average, median weekly pay for all employees, gives a multiple of nearly 8x yearly gross earnings.)