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Dealer first service, oil overfill, brake spec, EFI cleaner

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by cycledrum, Feb 28, 2009.

  1. cycledrum

    cycledrum PSOCSOASP

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    short story -

    Engine oil overfilled 5/16" above dimple, fixed same day, rear brake shoe said 3.5mm - low (?), tried to upsell me on EFI cleaner at 3,500 miles.

    Is 3.5mm getting low for rear brake shoe thickness? Car's at 3,500 miles, geeez.

    I suppose Fuel Injection cleaner a good idea when oil changed, please confirm.

    Next time I'll ask, wherever I go, to underfill oil slightly and I'll top up at home.

    I suppose maintenance light will pop on at 5k miles. Also suppose the turn off procedure here.

    Long story -

    Yeah, I was a bit of a pain checking into service, saying not completey satisfied with the car, blah ...

    Advisor notes Master Tech put on first service job. Car comes back, oil looks overfilled about 1/4". Drove home 20 miles, waited the 5 minutes, measured overfill of 5/16" above top dimple.

    Checked Priuschat, went straight back to dealer. Got a respectful attendant to check the car back in. Service advisor seemed to think it all no big deal, awfully chatty, cracking laughs with coworkers. Through dealing with that dude.

    Remeasured 1/16" above top dimple. I'll roll with that.
     
  2. Patrick Wong

    Patrick Wong DIY Enthusiast

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    When new, the rear brake drum shoe thickness is 4 mm while the minimum spec is 1 mm. Therefore your shoes are fine.

    If you are buying decent fuel (Chevron, Shell, 76, or one of the other top-tier suppliers) then there's no need for fuel injection cleaner especially considering the car is practically new.

    Since the Toyota dealer did the service, hopefully they reset the MAINT REQD timer for you without being asked, but who knows.
     
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    Take a pass on that

    If they feel it's a problem, have it warranty. Car *is* brand new

    I've never used that stuff on any vehicle I have owned. Had a 1990 4Runner, put on 390,000 km, it ran fine when I sold it in 2000. Routine oil, filter, and spark plug changes

    Yes, I'd be through with that character. Prius oil changes are pretty easy, unless you are not allowed to service the vehicle where you live
     
  4. cycledrum

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    should have known his character when he blew off Priuschat saying 'don't listen to people on the internet ...'

    Bought 3 yr. prepaid maint. at purchase time.

    thanks all...
     
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    If you were in a playful mode, should have asked why not listen to priuschat? Whom should you listen to then? Those who have a financial interest in selling more stuff to you?:D

    If you have a pre-paid deal, then nothing is charged to you extra?

    Have a 2nd car in the family with almost 200kmi on it and another donated with same, no fuel injection fluid ever. Should ask if it comes up again if that is required by Toyota :D or, just a money maker for them?
     
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    EFI cleaner would have been charged as extra even with pre-paid manintenance plan.
     
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    I wonder if the slight overfilling of engine oil is an old trick, knowing that over much time, the engine seals may wear out quicker.

    How does a Master Tech not know that X amount of oil pumped in will indeed show up over 1/4" above the top dimple on dipstick?

    I could refill the oil exactly to the top dimple in my sleep, although it may take some topping off and time.

    As someone else said in another topic, owner's manual clearly states -

    'Do Not overfill engine oil or engine damage may occur'.
     
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    Generally, you should use caution with advice from the Internet. However, the folks at PriusChat don't use obfuscation and upselling on new members

    Ah. So you either use it or lose it. That does change the equation. Good luck!
     
  9. richard schumacher

    richard schumacher shortbus driver

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    Now you know not to buy prepaid maintenance again :_>

    Master Tech or greasemonkey, if they follow the Prius shop manual precisely the oil will be overfilled, because the manual is wrong (or at the very least it and the dipstick disagree). One way to avoid the problem is to buy three (not four!) quarts of oil and hand them to the oil change person.
     
  10. cycledrum

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    Won't be buying any quarts of oil, that's rolled into the purchase contract. Maybe 1 quart to top up at home.

    Won't be servicing the car at home, just looking after it per owner's manual. I've taken a few cars to a low-cost shop in Fremont for 10 years with good results. I doubt they've done anything with Prius cars yet though.

    So, I'll do my best with Toyota dealers. There are many in SF Bay Area. If they mess up, at least they're factory backed to fix things.

    I think it's important to establish a good relationship with a dealer service department. They like repeat customers. I won't pan them, call them all bad. I need their expertise to service the car.

    I realize dealers are in business to make money. Piercey Toyota is pretty big and fancy. So, it will be a battle to not get oversold.

    For the record, I've sometimes seen dealers fix problems that indy shops could not. '86 Jetta with ECU problem, indy shops could not diagnose problem. VW dealer did diagnose and replace ECU.

    However, Hayward Toyota once could not properly diagnose a bad temp gauge, kept saying it was temp sensor. An independent electric shop replaced the gauge.

    So, results are a mixed bag. Kind of like diagnoses from Doctors.
     
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    Ah. If you tell the service writer that you will check the oil level yourself before you leave, and then do that at every oil change, the chances that they will get it right the first time go way up.
     
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    if you've gotta go to the dealer, your best bet is to find ONE tech who does the job right and keep asking for him. oil changes don't pay all that great for the tech, but they pay off for loyal customers when that customer's car racks up some miles and they come in wanting a transmission drain and fill, or new coolant, or the kinds of things that do pay decent for the work. DH had lots of regular customers, all asked for him by name.

    oh, and bring cookies. or brownies. instant recognition- hey, that's the guy who brought brownies last time and asked me to double check the oil level.

    once you've got the working relationship, you're set.