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Uneven Idle

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by vertex, Mar 27, 2009.

  1. vertex

    vertex Active Member

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    I have a 2006 that I am finishing up rebuilding from salvage. The car runs OK, except for one thing, when the ICE is on, and the battery is not charging, it will hunt between 1800 and 2100 RPM. It does this for a few minutes, and then turns off. There are no DTCs. I don't think this is normal behavior. The RPM drops to a constant 1300 when the battery is charging.

    Anyone have any ideas on this? Thanks.
     
  2. Patrick Wong

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    A few questions for your consideration below:

    Which parts of the car were damaged by the accident?
    Any wiring harness damage?
    Any warning lights on?
    What is the odometer reading now?
    When you say the car "runs OK", how many miles have you driven since the car was repaired?
    What mpg have you been able to achieve?
    What tool did you use to determine that no DTC was logged?

    In general, the hybrid vehicle ECU is responsible for managing power requests from the gasoline engine and the electric motors. However if you don't have any DTC logged then it will be hard to pin down the nature of the problem.

    It is definitely not normal for the engine speed to "hunt". Idle speed should be closer to 1,000 rpm. Can you get the car into Inspection Mode? This will force the engine to run continuously.

    To get there, make the car IG-ON and leave the gear selector in P.
    Fully depress the accelerator pedal twice.
    Shift to N. Fully depress the accelerator pedal twice.
    Shift to P. Fully depress the accelerator pedal twice. Note that the hybrid vehicle warning icon will appear on the MFD.
    Then depress the brake pedal and press the POWER button to make the Prius READY.

    In Inspection Mode, engine rpm should be around 1,000 when at idle. Then if you depress the accelerator pedal less than 60%, rpm should increase to 1,500. If you floor the accelerator pedal, engine speed will rise up to around 2,500 rpm.
     
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    From what I've played with I don't think the car learns new
    limits for the throttle position sensor, so you have to actually
    set it to where you get a reasonable idle level. When I had mine
    off briefly and didn't line it up *exactly* with the paintmarks
    on reinstalling, the RPM would definitely shoot up a bit in
    Neutral especially when the engine was cold. Still does it a
    little bit, but I got tired of screwing around with trying to
    eek one or two thou in either direction by tightening clumsy
    screw-heads.
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    However, that wasn't really a "hunting" situation, so you might
    have something different going on. Check the MAF? Any damage
    to the O2/AF sensors? Is the throttle body working freely with
    no mechanical hangups?
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    Both Patrick and Hobbit covered almost everything I would have mentioned. Regarding codes, is the Triangle of Doom on? A generic OBD II scanner won't be able to access unique codes. Regarding the MAF, any debris at all in the sensor can cause odd behaviour. I'm now convinced that routine PCV operation in a cold climate causes the deposits on the MAF, as my FJ and Prius appear to share the same MAF, and both had similar deposits If anything, my FJ had deposits a lot quicker on the MAF. Very easy to get to the MAF on an FJ, and once I cleaned it with an approved MAF cleaner, there was an immediate and noticeable difference in how my FJ ran, how it idled, throttle response, and how the auto shifted
     
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    Patrick, thanks for the detailed information. I will try inspection mode, I didn't think of that. I am using the Autoenginuity tool with the Toyota software, so I think it reads everything. The only thing it doesn't do (which I could use) is register the smart key.
    I was kind of suspicious of the TB because I got a used one, and the position sensor was bad, so I swapped that. I could get it adjusted to read 14% position and not get DTCs, but it is all the way at one end of travel. I have not been able to drive the car much, since I am first having the salvage inspection this Friday, and it will be 3 more weeks until NY sends me at title so I can register the car. Hobbit and Jayman the MAF is brand new, so that shouldn't be it. There was harness damage to the temp sensors on the MG, which of course has been repaired.

    I'll let you know what I find.
     
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    I assume then, that the car was in a front-end collision. Why did you replace the throttle body - was that damaged in the accident? What DTC were logged when the original throttle body was still installed?

    Given the relatively high "idle" rpm, I am wondering whether you might have a vacuum leak:

    - Did you use a new gasket when replacing the throttle body?
    - Is the oil dipstick fully inserted and the O-ring in good condition?
    - Is the engine oil cap fully tightened and the O-ring in good condition?
    - Are the two PCV hoses securely attached on both ends?
    - Any damage to those hoses or to the intake manifold?

    If you have a vacuum leak then the fuel/air mixture will probably be lean, but you might not notice a problem if you haven't been able to drive the car much.
     
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    That could cause issues too, but not set a DTC

    If during installation even a speck of dirt from the housing were to fall onto the hot wires, that would be enough. The MAF is easy enough to get to on a Prius, it's a simple quick inspection
     
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    Patrick:
    The car was missing the TB, and a lot of other stuff, some which should have not been damaged in the accident. The car was being worked on at the body shop, when the insurance company decided to total it.
    I think I put a new gasket on it, but I will have to look at my receipts, it was months ago when I installed it. I'll look into the vacuum leak idea next weekend. I can't do much during the week.

    When I have it off, I can look at the MAF too.

    One would think that with all the sensors on this car, it would have one for vacuum too.