Cold Fusion again?!?!?

You know, I don't understand all the confusion, over Cold Fusion. Why as I write this post I have a Cold Fusion Experiment running on my Desk that is producing Positive results. It also features the guarantee to produce reproducible results!..

All it takes is a 20oz vessel. something with a larger diameter at the top and lesser diameter on the bottom. A large Beer glass works just fine. Into this vessel add the following chemicals,. 20 frozen blocks of H2O, 1 Oz., Mexican Gold C2H5OH, 1/2 oz Triple Sec, and some Fruit based acid, such as Orange Juice, and Martguerita mix. Stir this around and drink the excess, let the glass rest for 15 minutes. Yes I realize it wll be hard to keep your hands off the testing vessel but you have give science a chance. After the allotted time, check and you fill find that all the Cubes of H2O have released energy, and yet they have bonded to their partner cubes and fused into one large cube. You break it apart, let sit, the same miraculous event takes place, Cold Fusion!
Science, it's a part of all our lives!!!

 

AAIIIIGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!

My face! My handsome, rugged, chiseled face!!

I'll never get laid again!!!!

Oh, if you've been trying to send me email today, it's fubar'd at the ISP end. I can send but can't receive. Mumble mumble F Bomb POP3 mumble mumble s*** box mumble mumble grumble

Yes, my neck is pulsating in a very alarming manner

 

I think I will partake in that "science experiment" right now .... nighty night

 

Just wait. The really bad part about hydrofluoric acid is that it pulls calcium out of your body. In about 12 hour your calcium levels will be so low that your heart will stop.

Tom

 

It is not possible to educate people who believe that the Earth is 6,000 years old because "the Bible says so" and who believe that dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time, also because "the Bible says so," even though the Bible makes no mention of dinosaurs. For that matter, the Bible never says that the earth is 6,000 years old. Bishop Usher made that one up, based on his understanding of what he thought the Bible said, plus some unfounded assumptions about Biblical sources and the intentions of those sources, and some traditional beliefs unrelated to the Bible.

Jay posts copyrighted articles from the conference organizers, clearly stating the intent of the symposium, and Kow calls those citations "unverifiable." This is true D-man argumentation. People like Kow do not want to be educated because they believe that knowledge is a sin. (Remember the tree in Eden in the Bible story? It was the knowledge of good and evil that was forbidden, and Bible believers ever since have argued that it is better to believe in things untrue than to have knowledge of things that are true.)

Kow is being true to his Christian faith when he insists on the reality of untrue things and denies real knowledge.

 

Yep. If my handsome, rugged, chiseled face was ruined and as a result I never got laid again, heart failure would be worth it

 

Do I need to post a link in this thread back to the photo of you that I posted, just in case people want to see your handsome, rugged, chiseled face?

Tom

 

The scary thing is that folks just like that were actually running a certain country for 8 years

I'll probably attend the ACS conference next year. Due to crappy scheduling conflicts, I couldn't attend this year. Much as how I couldn't attend the 2010 Prius unveil - crappy scheduling conflicts

Next year, I'll drag kow - kicking and screaming - to the ACS conference. I have to assume he is comfortable with deep and vigorous group discussions that drag calculus, downright hairy chemistry, all with an overall light hearted and jovial friendly group attitude towards *legitimate* peer criticism

I can almost imagine a discussion like this, if I dragged along kow:

jay: one plus one equals two

kow: no it doesn't

jay: yes it does, this is patently obvious

kow: it can't be verified

jay: yes it can. Look, on the cafe table I have two salt shakers

kow: no they're not

jay: sigh, yes they are. One salt shaker plus one salt shaker, how many salt shakers?

kow: banana!

jay: sigh. No, that is not correct. We have two salt shakers, thus proving one plus one equals two

kow: No it doesn't the Good Book says so, along with the voices in my head

jay (His thick muscular neck now pulsating in a very alarming manner): can you outrun me? Let's find out ...

Daniel, I was honestly trying to figure out why my completely factual responses were twisted far off into Left Field Loony Land. For example, kow was even attempting to interpret the *intent* of this scientist, unless he personally knew this woman, how could that even be cogent?

Of course, it cannot be cogent. It is 180 degrees removed from being cogent. I have an extremely difficult time wrapping my brain around such glaring dissuasive "debating" technique. It's like a person walking into the middle of a crowded room and lobbing a smoke grenade

Due to the Power That Be having similar kooky thought processes, our science funding and development really suffered. I would even make the arguement that we became the laughing stock of the entire world

There really is no sense in debating irrational, possibly ill, people. It's a waste of air

 

Now you behave, or granny will PERSONALLY VISIT YOU and smack you good

 

Even though the Bush administration, with its religious bigots, is gone, there are still very many people in the U.S. Senate who believe the same things. Yes, there are plenty of young-earth creationists in the Senate!

Kow will assert that calculus is a "libbie" ploy by "demoncrats" to tempt good Bible-believing Christians onto the road to hell, and that you cannot prove it to be correct. (You cannot prove it to him, because he cannot understand the proof.)

But just to be fair, Kow has never claimed to hear the voice of god. He relies on the Bible and Rush Limbaugh for his information.

 

We're doomed

Well, it wasn't that long ago - in the context of human history itself, which is MUCH more than 6,000 years or some other arbitrary number - when folks were threatened with church-sponsored torture for making silly claims

Silly claims like, oh, for example: the world is spherical (Actually it's a bit more complex shape, but easy enough to imagine as a spheroid); the earth - or the "oiath" if you're from Queens - is NOT the center of the universe; with the aid of a powerful collection of glass lenses you see other worlds out there, etc etc

I suppose those poor souls were tortured and killed to "save" them, eg to drive the "demons" out of them.

Religion must have been a real good racket to get into, up to the middle ages. If you were part of the religious caste, you had an enormous variety and number of young boys to sodomize, you literally had the power of life and death over people, and if they were dumb enough to disagree with you, throw them onto the rack or another torture device. That'll fix them!

Perhaps. There are enough reports from proclaimed bible thumpers who claim to "pray" and actually receive a "reply." Hearing voices in your head is creepy enough, but to then ACT on what the voices say?

:tsk:

That's usually only used as a criminal defense against chopping some guys head off, and eating his heart. "The voices told me to do it!"

 

The ancient Greeks knew the Earth was round, and they knew its size to a surprising accuracy. The medieval church respected the Greeks in matters not directly contradicting their superstitions and fairy tales.

It is a popular misconception that people thought the Earth was flat. Only the most uneducated thought that. Sailors, of course, were the most uneducated, as that was one of the most miserable of occupations if you went "before the mast."

The church fathers knew the Earth is round. What they burned people alive for was disputing church authority, and among many other stupid ideas (such as the three-in-one god and original sin) they believed the sun moved around the Earth. FWIW, the Catholic church recently admitted that Galileo was right. I suspect that the Missouri Synod Lutherans and the Evangelicals still disagree. (The ELCA, however, should not be confused with the Missouri Synod Lutherans. The ELCA is quite liberal. Kow would hate them.)

 

The Greeks were amazingly advanced for that time period. What I find disturbing is how we appeared to significantly regress once the Greek/Roman period imploded. It must have been a dark time indeed during the Middle Ages

I have no doubt that many religions are working to return us to the middle ages, a time of superstition, fear, and ignorance

 

alright, well this topic has been totally derailed. can i post my rant about science in journalism now? i've been fairly fed up with mainstream coverage of scientific results since one of my students handed me a piece from a blog on wired stating results that fly in the face of 30 years of evidence in my field. and it was published in a small and shitty journal no less. turns out that the media got ahold of an abstract at a major conference and had a field day making shit up, its inaccuracy was mind-blowing- as in, the kind where you want to blow your brains out.

 

N

Of *course* you can! I'm surprised you could stay away as long as you did

Nasty. Of course, it's almost as bad when faux news grabs a conference brief completely out of context, and I'm stuck explaining what really happened at the ACS conference. Over

and over

and over

and

over

again.

It's just as irresponsible when main stream media notice a key word and blab it all over. They then manage to read the fine print and realize "oh ... whoops ..."

Naw, it isn't worth it. You can only do that once. But you can target morons in the media over and over and over

In the meantime, have a drink - on me. I insist ...

j

 

[has a drink]

thank you j. i needed to vent. mainly because the public health implications of this bullshit are... well, notable anyway. context is important! scientists are admittedly not always that great at sharing our results with the world, that's what the media is set up to do. but when the media comes up with sensationalized bullshit and the public becomes disenchanted... [is that possible?] then what?

"oh... whoops" may happen in the editing room, but you can bet it doesn't make it to press unless pressure is applied.

 

You may want to duplicate my Cold Fusion experiment posted earlier in this thread. At the very least it will validate your faith in science, and make you feel somewhat better

 

Well, if journalism's main purpose was to report the news accurately without bias, we wouldn't need nearly so many channels of it, would we?

 

What this makes me think of is Humpty Dumpty from Through the Looking Glass:

"When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to mean neither more nor less. The question is, said Alice, whether you can make words mean so many different things. The question is, said Humpty Dumpty, which is to be master thats all."

 

Charles Lutwidge Dodgson was a mathematician. Today he'd probably be tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail for showing rather too much interest in little girls. But the Alice books are among the all-time great classics.