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Prius Electronic Throttle Control System Malfunction

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Prakash, Jun 15, 2009.

  1. Prakash

    Prakash New Member

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    Hey there Community!

    I am so sorry to hear about our beloved community member.

    Well, I was hoping somebody could give help me by providing a little more insight with my vehicles Malfunction. Well recently my Prius has had the "Check Engline" indicator going off. The first time the Toyota Service Department replaced a belt. But the second time the Light came on, which was a few week afterwords, their diagnosis - according to the Prius Tech and Chief Mechanic of the said Toyota Service Dept - was that my Prius Electronic Throttle Control System was malfunctioning and that it would need to be replaced at some point in the nearby future.

    I have roughly 135,000 miles on my 2004 Prius and cannot another vehicle. Luckily, our family works with the said Toyota dealer and thus will get a decent discount on the said part. However, can anyone shed light on whether this is normal (with regard to the malfunction of the prius throttle control system). I became even more worried about this situation as the Check Engine light came back on today.. Can anybody weigh in - on what my options might be.

    I would really really appreciate any insight.

    Thanks for being a great community.
     
  2. jayman

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    The Prius electronic accelerator pedal assembly

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    How the sensors work

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    Possible DTC's

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    Which DTC did your Prius set?
     
  3. efusco

    efusco Moderator Emeritus
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    You're asking if this is "normal"--well, no, it's not "normal" for things to break. But malfunctions of car components is inevitable, so I don't think there's anything unusual going on here. It's not a commonly reported problem.

    Have you had any unexpected acceleration issues or anything?
     
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    My engine seized, and the bottom end blew up, oil was everywhere. Is this normal?

    No, something breaking or failing is not 'normal'. You might ask if it is a common failure, but it won't be 'normal'.
     
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    ETCS isn't the accel pedal. You probably have a dirty throttle
    body and the motor is having trouble getting it open. Clean it,
    open the gear housing and make sure everything's running
    freely, and you should be good to go. Make sure the position
    pot gets set exactly back where it originally was, or as close
    to it as you can, as the system doesn't re-learn a new position.
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    One tip I can suggest is having a good DMM on hand with some alligator clips to adjust the TPS - I recall adjusting the TPS on a Lexus and Toyota calls for 2 feeler gauges - a .40mm and .85mm, and the procedure is to turn the TPS clockwise until you read infinity on the ohm scale and then see if there is continuity with the .40mm feeler gauge. However on a DBW car like the Prius, the DMM could save you if you took off the TPS without making matchmarks - just mount it and turn it clockwise as above until you get infinity.
     
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    (I suspect the poster was asking whether that diagnosis and recommended repair were reasonable.) Yes, they sound reasonable, but if you are concerned take the car to another dealer to get a second opinion and estimate. Any dealer should offer a warranty on the work they do, so if they are mistaken and must fix something else instead you should not have to pay extra. You certainly need to get it fixed, unless you are happy with an unusable car.
     
  8. jayman

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    Whoops, that's what I get for multitasking and answering several emails at the same time. Your site has an excellent post-mortem on a Classic TB, most of which applies to the 2004-2009 model

    The 2004 Prius TB

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    During the time I owned my Prius, 2004-2009, I cleaned the TB twice. First time dealer offered to do it, second time I did it. I never noticed any problems, but thought it would be a good idea to perform PM *before* having problems

    On my FJ, I experiences MAF and TB deposits at a far greater rate than I ever did on the Prius. It's easy enough to clean the TB, so on the FJ I do it every fall and spring

    Those living in climates that never get cold, say LA, Phoenix, Lost Wages, etc, may never have to clean their TB. Winter operation dumps a lot of oily moisture into the intake due to the PCV operation.

    Combine oily sheen with EGR (The Prius and the FJ use VVT "tricks" to simulate an EGR valve) and you can have fairly heavy TB deposits

    I should also point out the 2000 GMC Sierra I used to have, with Vortec 5.3, I had to clean the IAC pintle valve and passages in the TB at least once a year, if I wanted decent idle quality
     
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    I'm *so* glad the 1.5L does internal EGR via valve overlap, and
    rather disappointed that the 2010 brings back traditional external
    EGR which will doubtless be a perennial source of trouble just
    like on any other car. Talk about "carbon footprint" ...
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    I think the "tricks" that Toyota use with VVT, eg in the 2004-2009 Prius and my FJ, to simulate EGR, will leave behind just as many deposits as a dedicated EGR valve system. At least if the deposits on the backside of my FJ TB are any indication

    Having a separte EGR valve, with assorted plumbing and cooling, is one more thing to go wrong. Especially in a cold climate, the EGR valve will eventually gum up and stick, requireing cleaning