Man Based Global Warming....

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New York Times editorialist Nicholas D. Kristof (Joe and Valerie Wilson’s breakfast partner) quotes a Berkeley professor who claims to have identified yet another (result of global warming.)

As we pump out greenhouse gases, most of the discussion focuses on direct consequences like rising seas or aggravated hurricanes. But the indirect social and political impact in poor countries may be even more far-reaching, including upheavals and civil wars — and even more witches hacked to death with machetes.


In rural Tanzania, murders of elderly women accused of witchcraft are a very common form of homicide. And when Tanzania suffers unusual rainfall — either drought or flooding — witch-killings double, according to research by Edward Miguel, an economist at the University of California, Berkeley.
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There is some spectacular irony implicit in this particular accusation. The enlightened portion of mankind knows that the persecution of alleged witches has always taken the form of the bringing of false accusations of responsibility for untoward events through mysterious and preternatural agency against the innocent by unethical and deluded people seeking to benefit personally by gaining prestige and/or power thereby.

Which is, of course, precisely what leftists do when they point to the modern industrial economy and the citizens of the developed countries and accuse them of altering the climate of the earth.

We don’t need to travel to Tanzania to observe witch-hunting in action. Plenty of that activity is conducted right here at universities like Berkeley and in the pages of the New York Times.

 

I thought you were leaving!

As for your previous crack,,, I was just being polite,,, thanking the Mod for taking down some content that many found objectionable. I had nothing to do with his decision, so as usual,, you have only further reveal your ignorance.

Icarus

 

One of my favorite quotes. It is directed toward no one in particular. I hope that 'many' may find it amusing. Stupid is forever, ignorance can be fixed.
Don Wood

 

Oh, my, more bats - maybe more rabid bats due to global warming. I don't think we can take much more.

Bandera Bulletin


"...Garvin pointed out that bats aren't typically looked for until around April 1. Finding a bat infected with rabies in early March could be an indication of global warming.

Interestingly, the Eocene Era, which research shows was a highly prolific period for bats, was marked by one of the most rapid and extreme global warming events recording in geologic history, though the episode lasted less than 100,000 years."

 

If the aliens, witch hunters or rabid bats don't get us, we'll eat each other.

Climate expert Ted Turner on PBS' Charlie Rose Show - Turner: Global Warming Will Cause Mass Cannibalism, Insurgents Are Patriots | NewsBusters.org

On not taking drastic action to correct global warming:

Not doing it will be catastrophic. We'll be eight degrees hotter in ten, not ten but 30 or 40 years and basically none of the crops will grow. Most of the people will have died and the rest of us will be cannibals. ​

 

But seriously - and germane to PC:

From the Washington Examiner:

U.S. occupies GM, establishes secure 'Green Zone'


By: Scott Ott
Examiner Columnist | 6/11/09 2:53 PM



News fairly unbalanced. We report. You decipher.
The U.S. occupation of General Motors, following a 'shock and awe' lightning-speed takeover, began this week with the appointment of a new provisional administrator, and establishment of a secure 'Green Zone' in the heart of Detroit.
The White House went out of the way to assure local citizens that the occupation force will be temporary.
"As the people of G.M. stand up, we will stand down," said White House press secretary Robert Gibbs. "The president has no desire to run a car company. The United States government does not covet a single assembly line and we're eager to see sovereignty returned to the democratically-elected leaders of the G.M. labor unions."
Meanwhile, inside the secure Green Zone, U.S. forces work to transform G.M. from an unwieldy, bureaucratic behemoth that makes greenhouse gasses, into an unwieldy, bureaucratic behemoth that makes alternative-energy micro-cars.
"The only way to stop man-made global warming is to get people to drive less," said Gibbs. "The quickest way to do that is to make cars so undesirable that people would rather walk, bike or take mass transit. That's the kind of work we're doing in the Green Zone."
The provisional leadership will face a diplomatic challenge dealing with sectarian strife within GM.
"If we can't establish command-and-control structures rapidly," said Gibbs, "the various divisions within G.M. could tear it apart. But the president is confident that the people of G.M. have the same values, and want the same outcomes, as the Democrat party in general."
"They want the freedom to have union leaders speak for them and the opportunity to pursue wealth regardless of the corporate balance sheet," he said. "They want the kind of safety and security that comes from knowing you'll always have a job, despite the ongoing threat posed by the fickle consumer."

Examiner columnist Scott Ott is editor in chief of ScrappleFace.com, the family-friendly news satire site, and anchor of ScrappleFace Network News, seen on YouTube.

 

You should know better than to lend any credence to anything he says. By-and-large denialists are habitual liars, they have to be to rationalize their positions. They spend so much time lying to themselves that they can't control it when interacting with others.

It's the disease (oil addiction) that makes them lie. At least that's what the counselors tell folks on that "Intervention" program tell addicts. ufourya's just looking for his next fix, doesn't care how he gets it or how he has to rationalize it.

 

I do, especially considering the source.

 

Now Counting Carbons - Environment * Green * News * Story - CNBC.com

 

BOO!

Humorless drones.

 

Not gonna read 127 pages... but has anyone found the answer yet to the pressing question:


What is the earth's 'correct' climate?

 

There is no "correct" climate. There is however a climate that works for human infrastructure and biological life. Tweaking this climate too quickly can have bad effects on these systems. Given enough time to react to changes in climate allows these systems to adapt. That is the key.

Thankfully human systems do not have to be "blessed" with the perfect blance between too much or too little genetic mutations to be able to adapt. We simply or not so simply have to rely on knoweldge and pollitical will. Many societies never adapted or they ignored the signs. How will we react?

 

F8L is correct - there is no 'correct' climate. Personally, I like 75.5 F with about 62 percent humidity.

And yet, there is no question that the climate we have is the climate we have. Over the ages, earth's climate has always changed. Sometimes it has been hotter and sometimes colder. Since the advent of life on earth, it is incontrovertible that the warmer periods favored the advancement of life. Evidence today that there is more biomass and biodiversity in the tropics than the arctic regions.

Throughout history the earth has experienced 'ice ages' and 'warm periods' with a limit at each extreme and a range in between. We are presently between the extremes, maybe somewhat toward the warmer side.

"Climate' takes in so much more than temperature. Yet, the importance of temperature is obvious to mankind - there are limits to what life can withstand. We have measured extremes of -150 F to +135 F or so in nature. Some species do well in cold climes and some do well in warm. In order to determine the 'correct' or ideal temperature would have to take into account the thorny question of what is more valuable.

Is there more value in 125 lbs. of beautiful woman or to 125 lbs. of plankton? An argument can be made either way. However, as long as there are sufficient numbers and sufficient volumes of both for the continuation of life, I'll personally vote for the woman.

I'll also vote for the climate exactly the way it is right now, because it IS WHAT IT IS - a self-regulating wonder. We do not fully understand how it has managed to regulate itself for millions of years, but it has. I'm betting it'll go on doing that.

 

"'ll also vote for the climate exactly the way it is right now, because it IS WHAT IT IS - a self-regulating wonder. We do not fully understand how it has managed to regulate itself for millions of years, but it has. I'm betting it'll go on doing that."


How can you reconcile the above statement especially the part about not understanding it,,, and through out 125 pages of blather deny that humans could be a cause of climate change?

No one is arguing that the climate has always been the same,, that would be as foolish as denying man caused global warming! What we are arguing is that human activity, specifically carbon emissions are having a disproportionate effect.

What folks like you assume is that a 1 degree/decade change is nto significant. The reality is that many (most?) species cannot adapt as fast as the climate changes. What we also don't understand very well is the over all effect of species extinction on environment. Bats were mentioned in a previous post. The effect of bat extinction might have a huge chain reaction that we cannot predict.

Icarus

 

What 'folks like you' assume is that a 1 F degree/decade change is TOO significant. The reality is that most species endure changes of TENS of degrees every single DAY when night falls or the sun rises. It is absurd to assume they can't adapt to a ONE degree change over much longer periods.

We DO know that untold numbers of species have undergone extinction in the past without man's interference. We know that man caused the extinction of the passenger pigeon. Unfortunate, but the earth is still here. We wish he would cause the extinction of the anopheles mosquito and save millions of human lives annually. But that would anger enviro-nitwits who value any living creature more than man. To them man is the planet's pariah and Gaia would be better off without him. Well, the environmentalists would like to hang around to have all that nature to themselves, it's only the greedy, insensitive industrialized humans we need to eradicate.

To that end they have concocted the myth that human's contribution of co2 to the atmosphere will lead to devastation and we MUST DO SOMETHING NOW!!!!!!!!

Here's the tale, and the ONLY tale, acceptable to 'people like you.'

The earth is protected by greenhouse gases that allow in a certain amount of the sun's radiant energy, and like a blanket, keep a certain amount of it from escaping. The most important gas, CO2, has risen in quantity due to man's burning fossil fuels. It is MAN's contribution of this gas which will quickly lead to a 'tipping point' of no return and cause a much more rapid increase in the global mean temperature which will in turn result in melting ice, rising oceans, famine, drought, dead and displaced billions of people and the extinction of untold numbers of species.

The CO2=too much heat part of the tale is based on computer models that attempt to predict the future. The modelers simply do NOT have sufficient evidence to make the models comport with reality. The models' predictions are not presently able to accurately 'predict' KNOWN (observed) conditions. How can they possibly predict a century into the future when they are unable to predict a few years out?

People 'like me' who are rightly skeptical of these claims are called liars, deniers, and, illiterately, 'denialists', well, you guys know all that because these words flow freely from your lips.

Our government's EPA has asked for input to aid them in their decisions about climate in order to make informed policy decisions.

People with open minds should avail themselves of ALL the input. We already 'know' what the IPCC and other political groups propagandize ad nauseum through the media. How about looking at at least two pieces of input that address the science involved and the manner iin which it is shaped? If you can't do that, then you don't have an open mind and are simply an idealogue.

Blog Article Roy Spencer, Ph. D.

http://www.climateaudit.org/pdf/McIntyre_Submission_to_EPA.pdf (IPCC reviwer)

 

HA ha ha ha ha ha - zounds!

 

I stopped reading right here. This was all I needed to know regarding your understanding of climate and ecosystems.

 

I forgot to mention that close-minded idealogues have plenty of company inside the internally corrupt EPA, who won't read the input that doesn't fit their template. After all, these are the morons who declared CO2 a pollutant.

Hide the truth from the public - someone might find out that this massive fraud is based on incredibly flawed science and conclusions. But there will always be the profoundly ignorant fundamentalists whose enviro-religion fuels their zealous attacks on reason.

"...The Competitive Enterprise Institute has obtained internal EPA e-mails that show the agency willfully and recklessly disregarded scientific data that undermined the bureaucracy’s global warming zealotry.
This information is especially relevant as Congress rushes to pass the cap-and-trade nightmare on Friday.
CEI general counsel Sam Kazman has notified the EPA and requested that the internal communications and suppressed study be released to the public and added to the public record. Will another whistleblower be disappeared? Note especially this warning to the dissenting scientist: “The time for such discussion of fundamental issues has passed for this round. The administrator and the administration has decided to move forward on endangerment, and your comments do not help the legal or policy case for this decision… I can only see one impact of your comments given where we are in the process, and that would be a very negative impact on our office.”

Hear the truth? We don't need no stinkin' truth!

So on we go to the 'Cap and Trade' - a collossal tax that will cost every taxpayer thousands of extra dollars. But the drones who suck on the government's teats and probably don't pay their fair share, are all for it. Congratulations! Let's 'fix' health care while we're at it! Obama and his goons are going to cost this country's children and grandchildren TRILLIONS of dollars that presently don't exist. Our progeny will start their lives in debt. Terrific! And YOU let it happen.

 

I was replying to i car us who said, "What folks like you assume is that a 1 degree/decade change is nto (sic) significant. The reality is that many (most?) species cannot adapt as fast as the climate changes. What we also don't understand very well is the over all effect of species extinction on environment. Bats were mentioned in a previous post. The effect of bat extinction might have a huge chain reaction that we cannot predict."

You stopped thinking long ago. Where, exactly, have I made a huge error that stopped your reading and gave you an insight that negates my many posts concerning the climate? Did you stop reading them as soon as your comfort level was violated? OOOOh, I can't read that, that's not what Al Gore said.

 

You know next to zero about me and my academic status. Do not even attempt to conclude you have even the slightest clue regarding my understanding of the natural world around us. Unlike the majority of denialists (climate or otherwise) I study ecosystems EVERY DAY of the week. Come back here after you get a thorough education on the subject material and then we can speak. Until then you are not worth my time. You are no different than the rest of the political trolls who come in here for no other reason than to spew your uneducated BS and do nothing but create drama for the forum. You live in a world of delusion where you THINK you are educated on subjects and you feel you are correct in your opinions. Unfortunately you are incorrect. I've corrected you before but I shall not waste any more time on your drivel so consider this my last post to you.