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Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Technical Discussion' started by tumbleweed, Jul 17, 2009.

  1. tumbleweed

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    Page 252 or the owner's manual lists 7 or 8 things that could trigger the pre-collision system when there is no danger of a collision. Has anyone had this happen? It also states that if the seat belts cinch up you have to stop the car to release them again?

    I drive quite a bit on twisty 2 lane roads and I kind of worry that this thing will go off for no reason which could be quite a surprise, especially if there was another vehicle close behind.

    I understand there is a button to turn it off? does it reactivate each time I start the car or will it stay off if I turn it off?

    I'm thinking about canceling the ATP because of this and just getting a Prius V with Nav. I think there is still time to do this as I don't have a VIN yet. Am I worried about something that probably won't happen? has anyone experienced a false activation yet?
     
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    I've had it happen a couple of times, both for good reasons. Once I hit the brakes very fast, but light, at freeway speed, due to someone trying to merge into me. Another time, I came up on a barrier coming off an exit ramp, because I couldn't move over to the feeder lane as fast as I thought. I did not have to come to a stop to have the belts unwind. Frankly, both I and my passengers (both times) thought it was kind of cool and reassuring. This does not happen willy nilly, and there's no harm done. It just cinches up the belts very quickly and smoothly. I've also had ACS brake a couple of times when cars cut in front of me too close. Again, very smooth and not really alarming. PCS and ACC are great!
     
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    Thanks Ggood that helps confirm that maybe I'll be OK with this system after all. I really want the ATP but when I read the PCS warnings I started getting cold feet and was thinking I should cancel it.
     
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    Just remember, Toyota has the most conservative lawyers in the world, LOL! Half of that 600 page manual must be those nonsensical and overstated warnings about this and that...:cool:
     
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    I have had the pre crash system activate twice -- both times were within the first two weeks I had the car. Each time there was a valid reason for the system to work. I both cases the pre-tensioning later released without my further action.

    I have not had the system react without reason, and I have no fear that it will do that.
     
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    That's good news, I had hoped that would be the case. Can't really believe a conservative company such as Toyota would release a system such as that without a lot of testing. Have you done much driving on two lane roads with your Prius yet? You mentioned in your PM to me that you received an urgent warning from the system when another car came around a corner right in front of you. Any reoccurrence of that?
     
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    Quite a bit now. I've not had any trouble with the system on such roads.

    No, that hasn't happened again. Remember, it was only a visual warning and nothing further happened.
     
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    That's great I'll leave my order as is then, Prius V with ATP. Dealer said they had an allocation for it now, I think that means they are actually going to start building it in a week or so. Salesman said he expects it before September, I hope so I would like to have it in time for my fall vacation.
     
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    I think you'll be pretty pleased!
     
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    I had a false activation several days ago. I went and read the manual and found that two items listed occurred at the same time.

    First, I was driving on a long sweeping curve to the right with 1 oncoming car on the left (but at least 150 feet away I would guess) and second, I was also driving over a series of those heavy iron plates they use in road construction to cover holes, etc.

    I was going around 35-40 when a BRAKE message appeared and a beep was heard. I looked around and saw not imminent danger and saw the message lit for a few more seconds. Could not figure it out at the time....but I did slow down. :)

    The system did not apply the brakes. Automatic braking is a nice feature, it is also supported with the Laser Speed Control feature. I like the Laser Speed Control. Once you trust it the braking on that system is very nice. Today a van pulled out in front of me while I was going 55 (speed limit) and it never accelerated fast. Car slowed down to 41 very smoothly but firmly and then paced the car in front of me. This is off topic a bit, but I think the braking associated with this feature is the same as the braking for the pre-collision system.
     
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    The thing that caught my attention in the manual was the one that talks about turning left. If you tried to jump ahead and turn left before a fast-approaching car arrives, PCS may activate. I hope it's not the brakes. Seatbelts, I can live with but not the brakes if I'm trying to get out of the way.
     
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    I can think of no way to test it. I hope it is similar to the DRCC and you can over ride it with the throttle. I have over 4K miles now and my PCS hasn't activated yet.

    As others who have it I use the DRCC exclusively. But there are situations when it needs to be "managed" or it will apply brakes when you don't want it to and surprise people behind you. But it's usually easy to see such situations developing in front of you and have your hand on the lever ready to cancel it or use the button to shorten distance.

    If I'm pulling up behind another car to pass on a two land road I usually use the throttle to override it rather than canceling it.
     
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    And I have no intention of testing it either lol.

    mmhmm.. I love my DRCC although I have noticed at 70mph, it tends to brake in pulses but at city limits (40mph), it'll let go of the throttle then brake smoothly.
     
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    Managing DRCC

    Another situation where you have to "manage" DRCC: You set your max speed to 60+ MPH in the DRCC but you're in the right hand (slow) lane of traffic moving at 40 (or less) mph getting ready to exit the highway. As you move into the exit lane intending to slow down (with no one in front of you) your car, seeing clear road ahead, will accellerate back to your max speed. You have to anticipate this by tapping the brake or turning off the cruise control.

    The first time it happens will likely surprise you but you'll get used to it quickly and the correction will be automatic.

    Stu
     
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    I'll check that out tomorrow, I've got a stretch of 75 MPH freeway to travel. I think I have noticed it too but then it seems to decide what speed to go and smooths out.
     
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    Re: Managing DRCC

    Speaking of canceling the CC with the brake pedal are you able to just tap the brake or do you have to push it down quite a ways? Sometimes I have to push down quite a bit, maybe to the point where the friction brakes start to operate and sometimes maybe I don't need to push so far. I have been wondering if that's normal? I have been using the CC lever to cancel CC to keep from having to brake. If you can just tap yours every time I think I need an adjustment.
     
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    Re: Managing DRCC

    Well "tap" is a bit subjective. It definitely takes more than a mere touch on the brake pedal. Do the friction brakes actually start to grab? I think I'd have to say that I'm aware that my foot was on the brake, so I'd have to agree with your observation that the brakes start to operate although it's really subtle.

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    Re: Managing DRCC

    No they don't start to grab at all, probably just pressurizes the lines. In fact the CC cancel switch may be a pressure switch on one of the brake lines. If that's true we would need to push past regen braking and apply some pressure to activate the switch. It's something I never noticed on my Gen2 though.
     
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    I almost always use the Cancel function. Only on occasion do I tap the brakes to cancel.