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Kindle. Opinions?

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by daniel, May 18, 2009.

  1. a_gray_prius

    a_gray_prius Rare Non-Old-Blowhard Priuschat Member

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    You kids and you fancy intartubes and your book computers! In my day we went to the LIBRARY.

    Not too many dissenters in this thread....
     
  2. bluetwo

    bluetwo Relevance is irrelevant

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    They are convenient though. We even use a type of eBook in the Army for regulations and field manuals like this one right here.....

    eBook Technologies, Inc. (ETI): Military Training
     
  3. daniel

    daniel Cat Lovers Against the Bomb

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    Sorry for not answering sooner. I was away hiking in Canada.

    The Kindle DX is fine in sunlight outdoors. With any light source directly behind you, there is a reflection of the light. You need to tilt it so the light is not dirctly behind you.

    The wireless download is from Amazon only. However, the Kindle DX will read a few other formats, including PDF.

    According to Amazon it will, read:

    So you can buy books from other sources and download them to the Kindle DX from your computer via USB.

    If you have a document you want to put on the Kindle DX you can create your own PDF file from it and put that on the Kindle DX. Note that there is no subdirectory structure, so managing a lot of files will be difficult.

    The thing really shines for reading books. You can delete them once you've finished and keep the directory clean. You don't need to carry around all the books you're finished with. You can back them up on your computer.

    The Kindle has a voice, and it can read books to you if the publisher permits the feature, but the reviews say it's not very good at it. I've never tried it. Of course, audio books and MP3s play the same as on an MP3 player.

    jay_man2 is correct: There is no backlighting or built-in light. You can buy a separate clip-on light, or use a headlamp.

    Note that reading on a Kindle is as comfortable on the eyes as reading on paper, and much much more comfortable than reading glossy paper. You can read on a computer but I find it a great strain to read long documents on a computer. This is one of the principle selling points of all the readers using the e-ink technology.

    Libraries are fabulous!

    The Kindle, at least in its present state, will not replace books. There are many things it does poorly. Reference works, color illustrations, text books that have diagrams or pictures, any book whose appeal is the artictic quality of its fonts or printing, none of these is suitable for Kindle.

    Kindle only does one thing well: text. And for reading straight text it is the best thing there is. And it can do B&W illustrations quite well. (The Kindle DX has more shades of grey than the Kindle 1 or 2, and the DX and Kindle 1 have much better contrast for reading than does the Kindle 2.)

    Some authors have hit on a concept which exploits the strength of e-books in general: there is no printing cost, and minimal delivery cost: So they'll give away the first book in series for free and sell the following books. This is capitalism at its best because it is not dishonest (like most advertising is). Also, Amazon gives a fairly long sample of any book free. I have now paid for the second and third books of two different trilogies after getting the first book free. In both cases the writing was excellent and the stories fun.

    Some of the Kindle nay-sayers choose to criticize it for the things it does poorly, but they're missing the point: It is intended for those books which consist of nothing but plain text.

    And I find it much easier to read than a paper book.
     
  4. tleonhar

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    Barns & Nobel now offer a free e-book reader from their site in Windows, Mac, Blackberry, and iPhone versions. I grabbed that and have it loaded on my netbook, seems to work OK. But to get books, you are tied to B&N.
    I see Sony also has an ebook reader for something like $280, it also used the e-ink display. I believe on that, you are not tied to a single source for your books, they mention on their web site about free books through Google.
    Anyone have any insight into this?
     
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    Just because YOU choose to define yourself by your material possessions doesn't mean all of us do.

    Me? I go the library/used book store route.
     
  6. daniel

    daniel Cat Lovers Against the Bomb

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    With ebook reader software for computers and PDAs you are still stuck with reading on a computer screen, which I find uncomfortable.

    I looked at the Sony reader. The two reasons I didn't get it are the small size (the Kindle DX is the largest reader available right now) and the fact that Amazon seems to have the largest selection, and growing.

    I've looked for those free books on Google and have not yet had any luck locating anything. Lots of web pages with books that do not interest me in oddball formats. This page is Google's book search, but does not appear to be free books, though some books may be free. And books in PDF format do not allow you to change the type size, though you can zoom; the difference being that if you zoom you have to scroll to read.

    There are free books in the Kindle store, and as per my earlier posting, the Kindle can read several formats, so you are not tied to Amazon, though the free wireless delivery is only from the Kindle store. Some out-of-copyright classics are free, and some authors offer one of their books free as a teaser, which is great for both author and reader: The author lures in readers, and the reader can sample a whole book before deciding whether or not to buy that author's other books.

    I do not define myself by my possessions. I define myself by my actions. But I am a gadget freak. I love gadgets. And the Kindle DX is at present my favorite gadget. But I love libraries and will always support my local library with my vote in favor of taxes to support it.
     
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    Thanks for the update Daniel, I didn't realize the Sony has a smaller screen, that alone more than makes up for the difference in price.
    I did grab the free B&N reader for my netbook like I mentioned, mainly because it's free, and it came with 6 free books. I figure that should be a good way to test it, but like you mentioned, I still have to read it off a screen.
    I guess I'm convinced that the Kindle is the best option...
     
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    Note that I have the Kindle DX, which is the latest model. The Kindle 1 and 2 are, I believe, the same size as the Sony. The screen on the DX is 9.5 inches diagonal (8 by 5.5) while the Kindle 1 and 2 have a 6-inch diagonal screen, and I think the Sony is the same.

    The trade-offs are price and weight, favoring the smaller units; and ease of reading favoring the larger DX. I looked at the Sony in a store, and I much prefer the larger screen for reading comfort, even though it is heavier. Cost was not an issue for me, though five years ago I probably could not have justified it.
     
  9. DaveinOlyWA

    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

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    Google advanced an idea to electronically archive every printed source in the world. as one would expect, a huge fury over copyrights ensued which greatly hampered the project. Google argued that this would allow introduction of rare classics to a much greater audience and actually got the University of Michigan on board with it (they have one of the largest university libraries in the country)

    not really sure how everything panned out (i actually toyed with the idea of relocating and applying for job scanning books...but then again, the possible tediousness of the position kinda scared me off. that was a few years ago...before recent family additions...now, no longer an option) as the argument then progressed to older classic literatures where any copyrights had long expired, BUT many families of the authors raised questions about whether a new copy right on "electronic formats" could be negotiated even if the works were several hundred years old which only delayed the project once again.

    as i remember it, (havent followed the progress much over the last couple years) Google did go on with the project, only on a much smaller scope.

    another thing i was involved with back in the late 90's and early part of this century was the "Gutenberg" (sp) project which was a voluntary online format that allowed people to proof-read scanned materials and submit corrections towards the goals of creating an electronic library. not sure where that is anymore either as i lost track of that during one of my hiatuses from society.


    **edit**

    ah, it is alive and well... a free source to investigate

    http://www.gutenberg.org/catalog/
     
  10. daniel

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    While I think that digitizing books for free distribution (where copyright permits) is an excellent idea, that in itself falls far short of what Kindle and Sony and the other ebook readers do. Given my choice between a free book that has merely been scanned, so one page of the book goes onto one screen of the reader no matter what, and a properly formatted Kindle book that allows me to set type size to my comfort level and eliminates issues of blurry copies, I'll happily pay for the Kindle book.

    I recognize that the Kindle and similar devices are rich peoples' toys, and most folks cannot afford them or cannot justify the cost, given other needs. Thus there is a very important role for projects like Gutenberg and the Google books project. But for those who can afford it, Kindle is the easier way to read books.

    (And I think a job scanning books would be deathly boring, and probably lead to carpel tunnel syndrome from the repetitive motion of turning pages and laying the book on the scanner.)
     
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    As said many times before, the price just isn't worth getting it (at least to me).

    I've played around with one also, and it seemed nice, but I'd like something that can do more than just load books/magazines/ect. if I'm going to pay that much...
     
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    Definitely a rich person's toy, as I've said. But far and away the easiest, most convenient way to read. I'm reading three times as much as I have done in years, and spending less than half as much time at the computer. This is all to the good. Of course, not everyone can afford it. I expect the price will come down as the market becomes saturated.

    But I stress that the Kindle is one thing and one thing only: a text reader. Anyone who expects it to be more will be disappointed.
     
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    In the mid 90's, I was involved with a project that involved the scanning of aircraft maintenance manuals. Back then there were still several airplane models where maintenance manuals were still provided on paper. When an update was provided, the manual was debound and placed on a scanner, the scanner was automated to the point where it would feed each page in scan, flip the page, scan the other side, then repeat until the manual was fully scanned.
    Thankfuly those days are ended since the maintenance material is now all on electronic format.
     
  14. DaveinOlyWA

    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

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    daniel, up until today, i had pretty much decided to get a kindle as an x-mas present. but the announcement that amazon is leaving sprint to goto att for internet access is very disappointing.

    let me know if you notice any issues with downloads after the transition. okie dokie?

    **edit**

    oh crap...nm. u sneaked in under the wire. sprint will still support you. looks like i have to either get a 6 " or else to stay on sprint.

    http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/10/sprint-kindle-att/
     
  15. DaveinOlyWA

    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

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    reason why i am concerned...

    ATT, outside major cities has a pretty poor track record for 3G coverage.

    compare to verizon in red (sprint is comparable)
     

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