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My Prius Review: I HATE THIS THING!

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by digital_griffin, Aug 10, 2009.

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  1. digital_griffin

    digital_griffin New Member

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    I recently posted to the 100,000 mile club and said I would post here my general review of the Prius as a whole.

    Now before anybody slams me:
    1) It's my opinion, I'm entitled to it
    2) Criticism and discussion of it leads to improvements in design

    Car reviewed:
    2005 Toyota Prius C Model. 110,000 miles. 4 years old

    Now onto my review:
    Summary: Overall Grade D

    I hate driving this car with a bloody passion. It was actually my wifes choice in cars at the time. She was coming from a 1998 Toyota Camry.

    My main beef with the Toyota is that it is for all visceral purposes "A dead car" There is nothing remarkable about this car. (Unless you count the economy factor.) It's devoid of any feeling. You sit in it, and you become a zombie. It's equivalent of eating cardboard with water three times a day.

    There are two classes of people who drive cars. Those who drive them to get from point A to point B, and those who drive as an experience. Prius drivers are clearly point A to point B people. I regretably am the later. I personally own Sebring convertable (32 MPG) and a C6 Corvette (28 MPG)

    Economy Grade: B
    This is the ONLY upshot of this car. But the economy is hampered by several things:

    1) Excessively thin tires wear out quickly. I'm on my fourth set. That averages about 35K/miles per set of tires.

    2) To break even from a comparable 4 door econobox (averaging 35 MPG and $3/gallon gas) you have to drive 185,937 miles to break even. (51-35)/1785 miles * 3.00/gallon= $5000 price difference. Yes I am taking into account the tax break! The battery is rated for 180,000 miles. So it's really a break even!

    3) You have to drive it VERY conservatively to get the rated MPG. My wife only averages in the low to mid 40's.

    Utility Grade: C
    The prius is very spacious for it's size. However it's complete lack of power makes it near useless for any utilitarian purposes. It's gross payload limit pretty much limits it to 4 adults. Highway driving with a loaded prius can be a bad experience.

    Egronomics & Interior Grade: D-
    It screams Cheap cheap cheap cheap cheap. It makes the camaro interiors of the early 90's look good. The seats are non adjustable and get uncomfortable on long trips.

    Driveability: F+
    Besides the obviously glarring lack of power, the prius lacks any real feedback in handling. The electric steering has ZERO feedback. The car does not handle curves well, and will give you no clue when it's about to give way. The thin tires do not help. My tail has kicked out going around curves at moderate speed before.

    Then there's the traction control/traction motor problem at start. It abruptly starts and stops when the wheels start. Sometimes it goes from start-stop-start-stop making it feel like someone is jerking you around. Meanwhile, your car can't make up it's mind if it wants to sit still, or just crawl out enough to get t-boned from these stalled stops.

    The suspension is also lacking. While it's like driving on a cloud, it's boring, and also lacks any real feedback of road conditions.

    The car is suseptible to crosswinds also.

    Reliability: B+
    It left us sitting once. It was a clogged fuel injector(s). I understand this is a common problem with Prius.

    The tire wear problem is annoying. But I've had the suspension checked, and two alignments to correct possible problems.

    The MFD is EXTREMELY dim and barely readable (if at all) in sunlight. I understand this is a common problem requiring a $$$ replacement. The MFD also crashed 3 times (all in early ownership)

    The regenerative brakes aren't as nearly as efficient as they used to be. I never see 200 Wh regeneration. And 150 Wh is incredibly rare.

    After 110,000 the engine is suffering from piston slap and cam drive train noise (especially when cold) The prius ICE engine is a slightly modified engine that's in the old Echo. And it's really not that good. It's fuel efficient, and cheap. But that's about all I can say for it.

    Other comments:
    The Prius decides to run the motor at the most inefficient times. Like in winter, when at a stop light. The motor is warm, yet it decides to sit there and idle for 2 minutes, waiting for a light to change. It isn't even charging the battery! I found out what's causing this. Turn off the cabin heat! The engine will then shuts down. I think I can wait 2 minutes without heat to save some gas!

    There's been other times where I'm coasting down hill < 40 MPH, with no gas, a full battery, and a warm engine, and the ICE refuses to shut down!

    How could the engineers miss such blattenly obvious inefficient behavior?
     
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    baa humbug
     
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    So sell the damn thing!!!
     
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    Funny. In an earlier post, you said just the opposite:

    I was a moderator on a Honda VFR site and found it interesting that some people's very first post was a complaint. At least this guy waited until his 3rd or 4th post have his head explode.
     
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    I got a kick out of this. You are the type that drive "for the experience" yet you own a Sebring convertible...*yawn* However, the C6 Vette MORE than makes up for the Sebring as it is a BADASS car.

    I have Prius as my daily driver while the weekend car chills at home, perfect compromise.
     
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    All valid points, that bug You more than it bugs Me.

    However, exactly what was your maintenance costs total?
    Then take your last 3 cars, maintenance costs.

    Add, subtract, plus the $$$ you'll get selling your 2005 even with 110k miles. How much would you have gotten for a non-Toyota/non-Honda with the same mileage?

    While far from perfect, just look at the G1 Prius, how much of a Big Step UP the G2 was, and now the G3 !

    I predict you'll have a hard time going to an econobox running with 1990 technology and repair/maintenance costs way WAY beyond that of tires.

    IMO, *any* car you look into changing tires after some 35k miles, especially if you don't rotate with winter tires.
     
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    Yes, and I drive very very conservatively. There is no contradiction to my post. Depsite my speeds, and lack of coasting I:
    1) Rarely floor it
    2) Rarely stop at the last second
    3) constantly "feather" the gas accelerator
    4) Rarely go above posted speed limit.
    5) Sometimes go slightly under speed limit when climbing hills to save a couple MPG. (Slight speed bleed off)

    Now why don't I sell it? It's my wife's car.
     
  8. a priori

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    It is your review and your opinion, so I can't fault you for anything relating to the car except this:

    If you hated it so much, why didn't you sell it? About 18 months ago you could have sold it at a near profit. Another year or so before that the demand was so high you also could have done very well selling your 2005.

    Also, you may want to correct this thing:
    There are two classes of people who drive cars. Those who drive them to get from point A to point B, and those who drive as an experience. Prius drivers are clearly point A to point B people. I regretably am the later. I personally own Sebring convertable (32 MPG) and a C6 Corvette (28 MPG).
    I believe you may as well say:
    There are two classes of people who drive cars. Those who drive them for the experience, like I do, and those who don't know any better. Prius drivers are clearly the latter, while I, to my humble credit, am the former.
    How is it that you know who I am, how I drive or even what lack of experience I have while in my Prius?
     
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    Not true. I can easily get 60,000 miles out of tires rated for 60,000. All the tires on the Prius were rated for 40K miles or higher. (OEM goodyear, and Yokihoma used) I'm currently trying 80,000 mile bridgestone tiger paws and see how they stack up.

    The tires on the prius are just too thin in an effort to reduce rolling resistance, and CoD. As a result, I think they wear too fast.
     
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    I think you guys are taking this personally instead of as an potential post to address the where the Prius falls short
     
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    Don't take it personally. I would make it akin to someone choosing the merry go-round as opposed to the roller coaster. If the merry go-round works for you, knock yourself out! Grab hold of the horse poll and let your wild side out if that makes you happy. ;-)
     
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    It's interesting to read those comments... mostly because so much has changed since then. Your assessment of the 2010 would be quite different.

    Too bad we weren't able to get your expectations prior to purchase. I got the impression you'd be disappointed with pretty much anything in the 4-cyl Corolla/Camry realm.

    As for the tires, that was your own choice. Once the first set wore out, it would have been wise to purchase an alternate type. Many owners upgraded afterward for the same reasons you had.
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    He probably would, but it is his wife's car! :D That's the best part about the whole rant, puts a big grin on my face.

    I would rate the stock handling very low, but the front strut brace and rear stiffening plate did wonders for it. Running with sufficient air pressure should eliminate premature tire wear...but then again, the OP is complaining about a lack of power which suggests he sucks at driving it. When I've needed the go pedal, it is there and the electric motor torque gives it zip at critical times. My tendency is toward the lead foot side of the spectrum.

    There's actually quite a bit for an engaged driver in the Prius, but it's a different kind of entertainment from running at the limits of adhesion through turns. I enjoy both, but the OP seems to lack the versatility.

    Can't speak to the 2005's interior as there were some updates in 2006 that carried through until 2009. Mine doesn't feel cheap and I've always preferred the hatchback versatility to a sedan. I've ridden in/owned econoboxes and the GenII is nothing like one of those.

    The MPG comments are of course referring to the earlier less conservative EPA ratings 51/60 (which other cars also couldn't achieve easily...especially with a lead foot at the pedal.) Driving it too conservatively I've actually found counterproductive. It does better with moderate to brisk acceleration. Of course, unlike the OP I'm not trying to get lots of regen...another clue to a problem in the driver's seat.
     
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    The 2010 model could quite possibly change my opinion. And if my wife decides to get another car, I'm sure it will be a hybrid or a plug-in.

    Believe it or not, I walked in this purchase completely neutral, as it was her car. As long as it was reliable for her (she's hard on cars), then I was okay with it.

    At first, I really liked it and was wowed by the economy. However that feeling quickly wore off. :-( As economics made me more inclined to drive it, we switched cars. However given the choice, I might go with a VW Golf TDI which gets ~45 MPG and has considerably better handling and more pep.

    And you would be correct. I never liked the suspensions in most Toyota's. I always considered them vague, and lacking in feeling. I guess that's the trade off for a "cush" ride.

    I don't mean to offend other people for their choices on here. But sometimes you need to crack a few eggs, to make an omlette.
     
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    Hello, Mr. Pot? Mr. Kettle is calling.

    What makes you think that your personal opinion is an indication of ". . . where the Prius falls short?" If you're disappointed, then you're expectations were not realistic. But your opinion is just that - your opinion.

    Geez, the Corvette can't accelerate nearly as quickly as my much less expensive and way more efficient Honda motorcycle. Does that mean that the Corvette "falls short?"
     
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    OP, fortunately, almost all of your criticisms have been addressed in the Gen III (2010) models.

    Also, given a minimum level of response -- which I think the Gen III has -- the fun in driving, to me, comes from the whole process. When to accelerate, when to glide, when to push the battery more heavily, when to pull in the ICE, etc, etc. Even the different sounds of the car (regenerative braking, etc) are a treat.

    I might feel differently if I commuted along a winding river on a two-lane, lightly-travelled road where I could think about my arc through the curve, etc, etc. But I don't. It's not a Corvette, but if you can't go fast and curvy, exactly what does a Corvette bring to the table?
     
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    "The Prius is not a sports car."

    Could have saved 814 words. :rolleyes:
     
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    The Prius is hardly the car for everyone, and you are entitled to despise it, hate it, laugh at it and form, as well as broadcast, any opinion you desire about it. AND, if you've owned and driven it 100,000 miles, then you've got a pretty good idea of how much you like or don't like the car. I won't dispute your right to any opinion along those lines. Still, your experience doesn't set the stage for an understanding of everyone else's Prius experience.


    Yes, perhaps I've taken it personally. It isn't because I dislike your opinion (though I'd rather you liked the car), but it is because your comments about Prius owners were so demeaning. I'd probably let it go, except for your response.

    How about a bit of hyperbole to emphasize the point?

    What if I were to say something outrageous like this:

    There are two classes of people who drive cars. Those who find it economically and ecologically more responsible not to be wasteful of resources, and those who don't give a rip about anyone else's rights to space or resources and are completely self-centered. Prius drivers are clearly the former. You, regrettably, are the later, as you personally own Sebring convertable (32 MPG) and a C6 Corvette (28 MPG).

    I doubt you'd find it in any way an appropriate statement about you, but only a statement of my own pompous self-indulgence.

    I don't have the above opinion, but it is a rather stereotypical one that does exist. I'd prefer to think there are just about as many reasons for owning and driving a Prius as their are Prius owners.
     
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    so why did you drive it 100+ miles, I had cars I hated gone within a week up now to 71 so far in 12 years:) and dont let me start on h0w crappy my vette was 54K down the drain:)
     
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    Sadly, for you, so many owners of the Prius are wanting a 'green' and/or fuel efficient tool, that those who want a visceral thrill are not driving the future direction of the Prius. I would point out that, as a company, Honda (or even Mazda) makes many more 'thrilling' cars than does Toyota. Looking at other Toyotas in advance might have tipped you off that the Prius would not be the car for you.
    I wonder how much of the mechanical issues stem from trying to get a visceral thrill from a tool. I read up on the Prius (I had the advantage of buying an '09 so there are 5 years of owners to tell me what they hated: I put a stiffening plate under it the first month and had the dealer promise in writing to provide labor to repair HID headlights, before taking delivery) I suspect that your driving style would have benefited from wider wheels and tires. (Or at least better tires, a tire upgrade is in the future for my '09)

    I have a 55 mile (flat and straight roads) commute on a typical day, to some client who needs networking help, so a fuel efficient car with the ability to carry a great bulk of electronic gear suits me. It makes me happy I am polluting less than I did in my Forester.

    I suspect a Mini Cooper, Miata, Honda S2000, MazdaSpeed 3, or Subaru WRX would make a small car with reasonable fuel economy you could enjoy. (The Smart seems a bad idea for you) I wish you luck with your future car choices, hopefully the Prius was a learning experience for you, and helped you define your automobile preferences.
     
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