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  1. efusco

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    While there's no way I'm ready to give up beef, I'm not unaware of the environmental impact of the beef industry. I've read about half of "Omnivore's Dilemma". A physician friend raises free-range grass-fed beef (not organic certified due to cost, but no steroids, antibiotics, etc. are used) and my wife and I will be taking delivery of a side of beef from his farm.

    *The above is the disclaimer to try to minimize the rancor about being a beef eater.

    Anyway, the farmer/physician gave us a heads up about the information the butcher would want from us when he called about how to package the meat and what cuts we'll want. Some were easy, others....not so much. So I'm looking for anyone with experience with such a purchase for suggestions.

    1) Any good reason to take the bone out of the steak cuts? My inclination is to leave them in, though you usually find them boneless in the market.

    2)Which roasts do I want? Arm, Chuck, Pikes Peak, Rump? What I don't take as roasts will be made into hamburger. We tend to eat more hamburger than roast...but that may be habit and ease of finding hamburger. Do you know how many roasts that would be out of a side of beef? I enjoy braising and slow roasting on the grill, so I'm tempted to get most all the roasts, but if there are some you suggest are not worth getting for some reason I'm happy to hear.

    3)How to get the round--roast, minute steaks, or cubed. Leaning toward minute steaks, but may get roast as my wife likes to use the roast for Pizza Garna. Can't think of a reason to get cubed.

    4)Any good reason to keep the heart, liver and tongue? We don't usually eat that stuff and have a feeling it would just go bad. I guess I could use it to make stock (tongue and heart anyway) and feed the rest to my dog.

    Thanks for any other advise on this.

     
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    Can't help you on most of your questions, but I admit to relishing beef heart.

    It's pretty tough so you will need to beat the heck out of it, but after cutting into strips and pan-frying, it tastes pretty good.
     
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    leaving the bone in the steak cuts will improve their flavor dramatically, and your beef will be leaner than typical commercial beef, and less marbled, the additional flavor will help

    be cautious about applying high heat, grass fed cuts dry and toughen quick

    i season only with olive oil and sea salt :thumb:

    do you have a good chart to identify which cuts?


    blades and rib roasts can be delicious when cooked right, same for flanks and hanger steaks

    i'm a huge fan of the briskest, cook it texas style for 12 to 20 hours

    here's a link, tho assume you've got what you need
    http://dixiegrilling.com/beefchart.pdf


    i'm not a fan of organ meat, and i don't my dogs table food,
    but plenty of folks feed their animals the organs
    personally, i'd let the butcher keep 'em

    as for chop meat/burgers ... you got yourself a lean animal there
    gonna need to be careful with burgers, typically cooked over high heat, they will dry and toughen fast from a low fat grass fed animal

    good luck, have fun
     
  4. efusco

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    Yea, was aware that the meat would be more lean, and I'm fairly comfortable with meat and fire and such.

    Mostly looking for ideas about how much of what to get. If I keep all the roasts and such will I end up with minimal hamburger? Any of the roasts that are not recommended to keep?
     
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    If you do end up with too many roasts, it's easy to grind them into hamburger at a later date. Do you have a small meat grinder?

    Btw, I *loved* the opening disclaimer on your OP. :)

    Tom
     
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    Yea, I do, but it's small and it would be a PITA to grind more than a few pounds I think, plus I'd need to add fat...and I'm kinda lazy. But that's good to keep in mind.

    When the butcher calls I'll ask how much getting all roasts will affect how much hamburger I end up with.
     
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    Go Meat! (P.S. what does a side of beef cost anyway?)
     
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    Varies considerably I think, based on location, size of the animal, and how much is put into assuring it's a healthy animal ( grass feed, v.s corncow)


    I did buy a side of beef a while ago, I let the butcher decide what to give us mostly and regretted it. We went through the burger relatively quickly, and had a hard time using up the roasts. I'm a pretty busy mom and most of the meals we eat are "quick fixes", roast tends to take some planning and time and effort.

    I'd base the decision on your current eating and meal habits as a family. If you find that you are more willing to do roasts than burger based on how you utilize the current side, then change the ratios on your next side. (once you buy good quality meat affordably, it's hard to go back to the so-so stuff) ;)

    If you have time, I'd get all the organs and cook and feed to your pets or give as prezzies to friends' pets.
    I just bought a food dryer and am wondering if you could use organs for making dog treats with?
     
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    We're figuring ~$1500 for around 300lbs total.
     
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    i used to feed my rottie dehydrated liver as treats
    i see dried organs, including wieners and ears, at the pet store
     
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    Thanks, that's worth thinking about indeed. We don't normally do a lot of roasts either, I have a couple nice cast-iron braising dishes, but you're right, time is often short and we do tacos and such more often than roasts.
    They gave us an estimate of about 1/2 the meat would be hamburger, about 1/4 steaks and about 1/4 roasts, depending upon our choices that I've asked about in this thread.

    Kinda thinking that way too...but I have a feeling it'll end up just sitting in the freezer. But I hate to have it go to waste. I'm thinking I want to get quite a bit of the bones to. I can make stock from them and give those to my dog too.
     
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    Did you dry it yourself?
     
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    In my dark and troubled past, I've been a buyer of sides of beef. Actually, more like quarters, but I digress.

    Except for the brisket, you might ask the butcher to just make roasts from the hind of the side, and turn the front into burger. The hind will give you the roasts that you are most familiar with, and the front will have more stringy, hamburger making meat. This will give you a good balance of burger to roasts. Are you much of a ribs eater? if not, ask to have that put into burger, as well.

    Note: Don't give your dogs cooked bones. Only raw ones.

    *Disclaimer: While I am a vegan, I support organic, grass-fed, local grown animals for those that MUST eat fellow creatures. Thanks for not supporting feedlot beef!
     
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    I was sort of dreading your reply...and really appreciate the helpful non-judgmental reply...thanks.:)

    1)Why not cooked bones? splintering? I often give her leftover bones.

    2)I want the short-ribs for braising, but we're more pork-rib eaters than beef-ribs...I'll consider that point and may go with hamburger there.

    3)Thanks for the great tip on the roasts...that may very much influence my decision. I'm hesitant to get a bunch of roast that might not get used. Not that I want to eat a bunch of hamburger, but I think I need a balance.

    Finally, we are trying to make some reasonable decisions in our family, much of which started when I got the Prius. I can't imagine every being a vegetarian...and never a Vegan...but I do want to support healthier foods, a good diet, and reduce the impact of the feed-lot industry.
     
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    I can't wait to hear this answer. :D
     
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    Usually its said to never give dogs chicken or pork bones because they splinter.

     
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    I say just freeze it, strap it to the roof, drive it home and hack off what you want later. Mostly I just want the pictures of a Prius with half a frozen cow tied to the roof. :D In my world it's funny.

    Sorry, I have absolutely no constructive input. I didn't even know you could buy beef this way.
     
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    Raw bones are softer, more flexible, and digestible. I wouldn't give the dog an entire cow leg bone, unless it's a large dog and used to gnawing on bones, but smaller bones, not too often unless the dog is used to them, should be fine.

    Cooked bones are very hard, will splinter, and are fairly indigestible, thus you end up with troubles like perforated intestines. You get this less with those non-splintery bones, like the eyes in ribeyes, but those are just basically chew toys, not food. Raw bones are food for dogs (and smaller ones, like from chicken, are food for cats).

    Here's a link: Raw Bones for Dogs

    Note: I would NEVER give raw bones/meat to a dog or cat that came from feedlot raised, huge packing plant processed animals. The disease that runs rampant through livestock raised in those conditions could negatively impact a pet!
     
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    Evan, I think you're really over-analyzing this situation. There has been good advice here, especially from Rae.

    Here is how I like my beef: dead, red, and corn fed
     
  20. efusco

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    Agreed, Rae's has been the most helpful. I think I'm still in the normal analyzing state, not yet over...I have a list of 11 questions I'm supposed to be prepared to answer when the processor calls, I listed only 3 of those and only the roast ones really had me in any serious doubt about the best way to proceed.