EV Innovations Li-Ion Motors - Horror Story

Thanks for the pointer and woah!

This was on Autoblog Green but I ignored it until your post. It seems like "EV Innovations" is both shady and incompetent. Just being so close to the original design GVWR w/an unladen converted cars was already raising red flags for me.

 

i can understand this
i think the company simply did not have the financiel backup to word on problems like this
and when the owner wanted the money back there was no money..
just a guess

 

As one who started negotiations to purchase a car from what was then called Hybrid Technologies at the same time as this person, I have some questions about this situation.

Hybrid Technologies clearly created expectations regarding the performance of the car which were optimistic to say the least. Not only were they not able to deliver, but the car apparently failed. The question is if the failure qualifies for replacement under the warranty. They should have replaced the car if they cared about their reputation, but what if that was not an available option? Then, they just could have given him his money back. That they chose not to do that suggests that they face what they feel is a matter of principle.

The matter is in litigation. It is hard to imagine how anyone will win that except the lawyers.

As an EV owner, I can easily imagine how the owner might have abused the batteries without intending to do so, especially with the unreal expectations he was given by the company.

I can see this "train wreck " coming for the EV manufacturers. Notice how Toyota seems to be more reluctant than the rest. They understand the problem. Batteries can be ruined before they run completely down and yet the first impulse of most owners is to see how far they can drive before the batteries run down. Over optimistic range expectations are a recipe for disaster.

The answer probably lies in battery management systems which make it virtually impossible to ruin the batteries. The riddle will be to maintain adequate range.

On top of that, car manufacturers just do not know the problems which they will encounter until they put cars into the hands of real customers. Things happen then which they just could not imagine ahead of time.

There will be some "interesting times" with these new EV cars.

 

amen, as an EV owner as well, i was sucked into overly optimistic range expectations as well. well after two battery packs, i have learned that EV's do have some growing up to do. but can be managed by the owner with a bit of diligence.

the technology needs all the help it can get and companies like this one is just making it harder for EV's to go. my Zenn has had growing pains, but Zenn and my dealer where very helpful (slow) but helpful and did what they could to keep me going.

 

Thank you for your thoughts.

Some of us have spent considerable time, energy and some expense supporting the emerging EV cause. In doing so, we have discovered the limitations and accommodated to them. Those who have been sitting out and waiting will not be so prepared and will be among the disappointed that EVs are not what they are claimed to be. Some will have really bad experiences and there will be really bad press.

That is not a pleasant thing to contemplate.

It seems so natural to create unreal expectations. Car salesman have been doing it ever since the breed came into existence. But customers continue to be gullible and the "marketplace" continues to work. "Let the buyer beware" is good advice, but too often our hopes trump our good judgement.

When the little words "up to" appear (as in "up to 100 miles range") LOOK OUT! That should be read as between 35 and 45 miles in day to day EV range using todays batteries.

That may look dismal, but actually, most trips are WAY under that. There is plenty of time for charging between most trips. Many, not all, will be well served by EVs. It does take a slightly different way of thinking and maybe a day or two of adjustment. Few will be happy with EVs as their only car. When ICE cars are no longer practical, public transportation will be much more needed, that is unless a much better and practical electricity storage device is invented.

 

Makes one wonder how Volt owners will fare: those with 40 mile round trip commutes think it will be off grid, which lets assume happens. But if 5x50=250 full charge cycles per year plus weekends and vacations doesn't degrade its pack, I'll be pleasantly surprised. Then GM gets sued class action, and we the taxpayers have a problem.

 

Mark - Darelldd here on PC is a good source regarding the EV-1. His web site is "evnut.com". He will have a lot to say. I suspect that one of the reasons that the EV-1 has not been duplicated is that the actual cost per vehicle was not reflected in the lease price. But they were essentially hand built and not in real production numbers. There is no question that there was a high loyalty among those who leased them.

Others think that there is NO good reason that the EV-1 is not available for purchase and have less than complementary things to say about GM as a result. GM says there was no market for it which draws tons of scorn.

 

Li-Ion Motors - Trustworthy Company

ITS FAKE STORY ABOVE all about LI-ION MOTORS

i said that Li-ion Motors is fantastic and genuine company.This company has just changes his name and I purchased a car from this company that car is going great and its price also very less according to other companies but some of company's competitor dont want that company be successful so they written somethin wrong about Li-ion Motors. I am requesting you to mod please close this thread ...

 

The story gets even worse. If the company really did that, they really are crooks.

Owner of converted PT Cruiser claims Li-Ion Motors forged apology letter in his name — Autoblog Green
Verbophobia | Li-Ion Motors Has Crossed The Line

 

Li-Ion Motors

ITS FAKE STORY ABOUT LI-ION MOTORS

Li-ion motors is a genuine company so i am really thankful to thi company who manufactured a fantastic electric cars in very less price.You can also check company's reputation from here
Li-ion Motors Corp. (OTCBB: LMCO) Corporate Update

 

troll bogies!

 

Li-Ion Motors - Good Company

According to above quotes i was surprised cause Li-ion Motors is an fantastic company in field of Electric cars. I purchased lot of latest model cars from Li-ion motors and all of them going fantastic so i think Its 100 % fake statement above by ibmindless so i requesting to admin please delete this thread which going to be against Li-ion Motors company

 

Its 100 % false statement against Li-ion Motors from ibmindless ..................I again requesting to MODERATOR of this website. please delete this thread.....Otherwise company will take a legal action against you.

Regards,
Li-ion Motors Corp
USA

 

LOL.

First ibmindless did not make the statement. He just linked to the story.

Second if you are really from Li-ion Motors your just making things worse by demanding a take down on a public forum.

Third who cares? Someone had a bad experience with a company and they posted about it on the internet.

Looks like your trying to cover stuff up.

I for one will not buy from your company just because of what you said here and I wont recommend it to anyone either. First you post as a purchaser of a vehicle from the company and now you represent the company. Your a fraud! So sue me.



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I just read up on the situation on the blog. It sounds like Li-ion Motors is doing "damage control" in the form of faking an apology letter from the original blogger.

Sounds like Li-ion motors is a shady company and does not deserve any business

Oh and their lawyer quit because they refused to pay them.

No worries priuschat.com they cant afford a lawyer and don't have a leg to stand on legally.

 

I vote we have the admins do an IP lookup of "john joseph" and I bet it comes back to a nearby location (or even the same location) as Li-ion motors...

 

According to ibmindless thread ,Its really super fake horror story .So i requesting to Mod please delete this type of illegal thread from your website.

 

identity crisis

Sigh... it seems that you're a confused shill for Li-Ion Motors. Emphasis added mine.

So you bought a car from them? Why should we close the thread? There's at least one unhappy customer of every mass market car out there, including Priuses. Threads don't get locked out of the blue at the request of shills.

You're thankful now, huh?

So, less than a month later, you've purchased a LOT of these cars?

Who are you now? Now you claim to represent Li-Ion Motors and which to take legal action? You were just a "purchaser" before...

Gee... "john joseph" has 8 posts and you have 3. Hmmm, both of you have similar grammatical and punctuation problems.

I seriously doubt both of you own 2010 Prius model Vs.