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Highway Driving Technique (actual)

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Fuel Economy' started by flo00001, Jan 12, 2010.

  1. flo00001

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    (Yeah, accidentally posted in on the Gen III forum)

    This has probably been discussed earlier but, i would like a little feedback on my driving style on the highways in Hilly Berkshire County in Western Massachusetts (it could also apply elsewhere). Please let me know if you've found a better way to drive. Anyways, my Highway technique is as follows:

    I never go below 50 mph on the highway. That is my cut-off speed. No real reason for this speed over 45 mph (that is a universal minimum on the highway). Then, keeping the same pedal pressure (theory is to keep engine RPM more or less constant) as I did to hold 50 up the incline, I accelerate to 57 MPH. Then, once reaching that, I let off the pedal until it gets to 99.9, then let it coast to higher speeds. If I can't coast any faster, then i'll keep it at 57 MPH.

    Using this strategy, I average 62 MPG on the highway. I'm (obviously) always looking to improve the number so any suggestions would be much appreciated.

    Thanks,
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    I think your strategy is good and certainly your results are, especially this time of year. I'll add a couple of comments.

    It's probably less important to keep ICE RPM constant than to keep it out of inefficiently high ranges. It seems as though you're doing that.

    Do you have any added instrumentation like a ScanGauge to know your RPM? If not, here's a rule of thumb: During ICE-on conditions, keep the instantaneous MPG at least half the vehicle speed.

    Instead of coasting on the downhills, which I assume you're doing with your foot completely off the go-pedal, try what has been dubbed "warp stealth." Follow Fuzzy's link and you'll find an article specific to that (among several other good links).

    Super Highway Mode can get you good results on level terrain, but it's not suited for hill country. You need more climbing power from the ICE than what SHM generates. And SHM is tough to do without more gauges.
     
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    When I say coasting, I mean warp stealth with the Energy Monitor showing that the Battery is being discharged. Sorry for the mix up.

    The tid bit about keeping thew MPG at half of the vehicle speed is helpful though. I've always accelerated gently, but its nice to have a quantitative number.

    And, seeing that I am a poor college student, I'm trying to drive the Prius to be efficient and keep what pennies I have, safely inside my bank account. This is why I do not believe a ScanGauge would be right for me seeing as the amount of money I shell out for it will not be paid back in gas savings anytime soon. So any and all advice I would appreciate without help from extra instrumentation.
     
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    I think if you set the cruise control at 60 mph, you'll see 60 mpg. I'm not abdicating cruise control as an efficient means of travel, it's usually not, but I think you can do better than you currently are.
    I think Jimbok is correct in telling you to keep the engine out of inefficient RPM ranges as the key. Without a tach, the best way is the instant mileage readout and of course the ECO light.
     
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    There is an ECO light in a 2008 Prius?
     
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    That can't be good for the HV battery. You are putting more miles on it, using up the cycles.

    Have you tried keeping your foot stable running with gas engine? I found my Prius get better MPG (about 10%) once I settle my foot (without wild movement) for about 5 minutes.
     
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    Yes, but i can't do that in hilly Berkshire county...My speed will be all over the place going up and down the hills.
     
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    I have a SG, and at least to my ears at highway speeds, 2800 rpm is obvious engine noise, less than 2200 rpm is barely audible to no engine noise, and 2200 to 2400 rpm audible but quiet noise.

    I suggest you try shooting for barely audible -- audible but quiet.
    This might mean you start your engine earlier than you have been, if you have to gain enough speed to get over the next hill within your stated parameter of staying above 50 mpg.

    Hobbit has said that 63 mpg at 63 mph is about the best he thinks the G2 Prius can do on the highway; it is certainly better than I have ever managed, and I have the benefit of high elevation. So all in all, I think your current results are darn close to optimal, and congratulations already!
     
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    Try going faster. :eek:

    On the downhill, at least. I find I get better mileage by not keeping the pedal pressure constant, but by letting the car slow down up the hill, and speed up down the hill.
     
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    Oh no... I do that too. I try not to, but more often than not, I get the yellow battery discharge arrows because its hard for me to find warp stealth at highway speeds.
     
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    Shouldn't the Prius be smart enough to manage the battery though? Even those that heavily pulse and glide in the Gen II aren't reporting any problems that I've seen yet.
     
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    Prius BMU does manage the HV battery very well. However the driver's behavior can influence and limit what it can do, especially with the EV button. Note that Gen III has more restrictions and lower speed limit for the EV mode.

    The strategy of P&G is to avoid using HV battery. Use ICE to accelerate and glide without using HV battery AND ICE. If you are using HV battery during the glide, you are NOT gliding.
     
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    I P&G for two benefits:
    - Attempt to keep ICE use in efficient range;
    - Less time paying penalty of minimum ICE rpm

    My HV use depends on terrain. If a trickle keeps me going without ICE use, I use it.
    While it is true than HV use will incur ~10-15% penalty from conversion losses, ICE off saves about 2 kW.