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I didn't buy a Prius just to save money!!

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by NewType, Jul 15, 2005.

  1. NewType

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    Once in a while, even in this forum, there are posts that reports studies, magazine articles, Toyota higher level guy, government staff, etc, said Prius (or hybrids in general) doesn't save money. Even Toyota ads are appealing for "gas saving" when promoting the Prius. I just laught everytime when I hear these things. Here is why:

    Com'on. We all can do math. After the 4.49% APR, close to $25000 after tax and DMV fee, prepaid service, and extended warranty... if you really did buy the Prius to save money, you should be questing yourself everyday why'd heck did you get into this car. Instead, you call yourself a proud owner of a Prius!!

    Say for a Honda Civic Hybrid, and push the math a little and you will save $5000. Look, $5000 can buy you a lot of gas for years to come! Like my econ prof. said, if you put it in the bank you can still make money from interests. But you didn't buy a Civic Hybrid, instead you bought a Prius, and call yourself a proud owner of a Prius!!

    For myself, ignoring the green/friendly enviroment factor, I got a Prius for more than just to save gas and money...

    1) I bought this for my mom, and everyone in the family can fit in this car and go on a trip together. Yes, mini van has more room and much taller thus better view, but I gain better handling with a Prius (especially on the 70 mph CA highway).

    2) Everytime in a traffic jam at Seattle, WA and Fairfield, CA, I want to put up a sign and tell the people who's car is overheating that "I am running on battery only". (I should sell this idea to Toyota!! 8) )

    3) I want to make a statement (especially to those with big truck/SUV with huge tyres) that I am (or my car) is smarter. Prius ower thinks differently than most people! :guns:

    4) There is no cigarette lighters but only power plugs in the car. The Prius is not promoting smoking. :mrgreen:

    5) With $25000+ for a car and still can do all the things above, the Prius will still save money on gas. :roll:

    But just to put my neck out, I usually tell people the reason below for buying a Prius:

    **The reason for buying a Prius is to improve national security. By using a hybrid vehicle, I use less gas thus freeing the country from the foreign oil dependency. The result is stability in the economy, enhancing performance in businesses, improving the enviroment, and protect the oil reserve in Alaska. These will then have a chain reaction to bring in foreign travellers, making everything more profitable (such as small businesses and large airlines), strengthen US Dollar, etc, etc, etc, etc.

    Yes, this is what I tell people why I buy my Prius. Feel free to *laugth* at me! :wink: I am sure you all have your own reason too. But please, for the people who keeps saying the hybrid idea is not sound, "Think Outside Your Own Damn Wallet"!!
     
  2. Bill Merchant

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    [font=Comic Sans MS:3a64659d37]By the way, bumblebees can't fly, either.

    There's always someone to tell you you are wrong. I bought my Prius for the same reason you did. To breathe easier, and avoid heart attacks in gas stations.

    :D [/font:3a64659d37]
     
  3. NewType

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    Oh Oh Oh! I have something to say about bumblebees! Actually they CAN fly. A few years ago (actually at least 6 years now), a British scientist/professor was showing that bumblebees can fly was probably because they are using their wings to create a vortex on top of the wing, which is a very efficient way to create lift! In fact, there are a bunch of researches on vortex generator on top of an airfoil to increase lift on the wing.

    So now you know! Go and tell others that Prius owners are smarter!! 8)
     
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    I was recently talking with my 15 year-old nephew. Every once and a while he asks about Priapus and how I like it. This time, he asked if I was saving money with the car and gasoline.

    I made it very clear: I paid more for this car than I have for any car I've ever owned. I am very economically minded and would NEVER think to buy a new car that's only going to depreciate over time. The money I could have saved buying a three year-old, good-condition vehicle would have bought me gas for years, per NewType's post.

    So am I saving money? Heck no! But I never wanted to.

    We happened to be on vacation at the time, sitting basking in the sun on the Atlantic Ocean. I continued: the reason we were there was to enjoy the environment. Most of the time, when people think of vacation, there is some sort of environmental interaction occurring whether on the golf course, in the mountains, on the ocean, or in a forest. Once those things go away, they are not coming back; once pollution destroys what we've got, we've lost it for good; once there's no where left to go, what will our vacations be like. I told him that I did not buy the Prius to save money. I bought the Pius to save his environment.

    There seems to be so many people blatantly or subvertly promoting the destruction of our environment through non-recycling, over-consumption, and blatant pollution. I choose to promote recyclable PZEVs.
     
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    I also get frustrated with the articles and even Toyota when they do not emphasize the "clean green" aspect of the Prius. It truly is not all about the savings...at least for me. My number 1 reason for purchase was the ultra low emissions. Think Toyota really should use this aspect more in their marketing.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NewType\";p=\"107592)</div>
    traffic jam in Seattle?? what you talking about?? we never have traffic jams!!!

    HOWEVER...

    i was on the I-405 coming home yesterday and from 2 miles south of I-90 to 3 miles north of I-5, i crept along at 5 mph in stop and go traffic. it was hot... about 85º and i had the air on at 70º so my mileage went from 59.5 to 53.1 mpg. i rolled along in traffic nearly falling asleep because i was so comfortable when along side me came this guy in a full size GMC pickup. he had all the windows down...dont know why... at 5 mph, it simply doesnt help. he appeareed to be very animated and pounding his fists on his steering wheel. after about 5 minutes, i got tired of trying to figure out what he was saying.

    i do owe him a debt of gratitude since im sure i would have fallen asleep had he not caught my attention. after about 62 minutes we came upon a minivan completely burnt sitting on the hiway 167 on ramp. the right two lanes were blocked causing the slowdown. as soon as we past this point the speed immediately sped up to normal and the truck next to me roared off only to slow back down again at the I-5 interchange which was only a few miles down the road. i will say the GMC had decent brakes as it nearly rear ended a car...so i guess GM's arent worthless after all

    P.S. my mileage was able to recover to 54.7 mpg in the 30 miles i travelled after passing the major traffic jam since after that point only had the usual slow down at Hiway 512 and Hiway 16
     
  7. MarinJohn

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    My number one reason for buying a Prius was to encourage new cutting-edge technology which will someday lead us away from oil dependency. Remember, I said 'someday'. I don't believe we are there yet, but there must be pioneers to lead the way. Right behind my desire to be a pioneer was the emissions factor which is a gift to future generations. Save money on gas? Merely a byproduct of my other desires. I ignore articles which try to distract me from my main purposes, and like so many others on this board try to educate when ever possible.
     
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    One of the reasons we bought a Prius is so that we could get features that we otherwise couldn't afford. Well, we could afford them, but didn't want to spend the money.

    How much would you have to pay for another car that Smart Entry, airbags all over the place, flexible configurations for cargo, traction control, vehicle stability contol and all kinds of other neat gadgets?

    The low fuel costs makes the real cost of operating the Prius lower, so we could spend more money on the initial purchase than we would otherwise be comfortable doing. :mrgreen:
     
  9. micheal

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    I don't know if I would have gotten one without low emissions. It would have been hard, especially now after having the nav system, SE/SS, Side airbags, all of the gadgety things!
     
  10. Sufferin' Prius Envy

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    We all could have saved money and bought an Echo (or similar econobox) . . .
    but then we would have had to drive an Echo. :pukeright:

    We could have paid a lot more and bought a Hummer . . .
    but then we would also have to pay A LOT more for gas, and____, and_____. :x

    For me the Prius was the right choice. Comfortable, extremely versatile, safe, fun to drive, gadgets galore, and ecologically correct . . . or at least a lot less ecologically incorrect. But beyond all of that, the Prius is my insurance policy on four wheels.

    I don’t worry about future gas prices!!!
    I laugh at the thought of $3/gallon. Even at that level, I would still be paying less per mile than I was with the car the Prius replaced!

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    “On Monday, traders continued to track hurricane Emily, which slammed into Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula with winds of about 215 km/h per hour. Markets were watching for any effect on the Cantarell oil field in Mexico, which could instantly cut off around three per cent of the global supply of 84 million barrels a day, analysts said.â€

    “Petroleos Mexicanos exports 80 per cent of its 3.4 million barrels worth of daily production to the United States . . .â€


    Full Story

    Just one good hit by a hurricane, earthquake, or other natural disaster or man made major interruption, and “hello $3.†. . . yawn. :mrgreen:
     
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    On topic?

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DaveinOlyWA\";p=\"108287)</div>
    traffic jam in Seattle?? what you talking about?? we never have traffic jams!!!

    HOWEVER...

    i was on the I-405 coming home yesterday and from 2 miles south of I-90 to 3 miles north of I-5, i crept along at 5 mph in stop and go traffic. it was hot... about 85º and i had the air on at 70º so my mileage went from 59.5 to 53.1 mpg. i rolled along in traffic nearly falling asleep because i was so comfortable when along side me came this guy in a full size GMC pickup. he had all the windows down...dont know why... at 5 mph, it simply doesnt help. he appeareed to be very animated and pounding his fists on his steering wheel. after about 5 minutes, i got tired of trying to figure out what he was saying.

    i do owe him a debt of gratitude since im sure i would have fallen asleep had he not caught my attention. after about 62 minutes we came upon a minivan completely burnt sitting on the hiway 167 on ramp. the right two lanes were blocked causing the slowdown. as soon as we past this point the speed immediately sped up to normal and the truck next to me roared off only to slow back down again at the I-5 interchange which was only a few miles down the road. i will say the GMC had decent brakes as it nearly rear ended a car...so i guess GM's arent worthless after all

    P.S. my mileage was able to recover to 54.7 mpg in the 30 miles i travelled after passing the major traffic jam since after that point only had the usual slow down at Hiway 512 and Hiway 16[/b][/quote]
    [font=Comic Sans MS:7c9c56da94]Dave, how is your post on the topic of "I didn't buy a Prius just to save money!!"?[/font:7c9c56da94]
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MarinJohn\";p=\"108289)</div>
    Ditto!
     
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    I posted this math in the "So this jerk says..." thread, but it's pretty relevant here, so here it is again. Forgive me if re-posting is a breach of ettiquite.

    Oh, and it does make sense in $$ terms. I'll go from spending roughly $5K / year on gas to $1500. $3500 / yr. is a lot of money.

    if you care, math as follows:
    Then: (100 mi / day / 15 mpg) = 6.6 gal / day * 250 weekdays / year * $2.69 / gal = $4483 / yr. + weekends ~ $5K

    Now: (100 mi / day / 45 mpg) = 2.2 gal / day * 250 weekdays * $2.45 gal = $1347 / yr. + weekends ~ $1500)

    and that assumes gas stays steady (not bloody likely)


    dave.
     
  14. Darwood

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    It does make economic sense. The Prius has the best resale value of any comparable car. As gas continues to go up, Used SUV's and regular cars will have very little resale value if any, while "true" hybrids will hold their value.

    If you buy a Camry and drive it for 3 years, what % of the original cost can you recoup at resale? 60% or so?
    Now check out the cost of a 3 year old Prius. They are selling for absurd amounts.

    That additional resale value will make up for the premium price of the hybrid all alone. Add in the tax credit and the fuel savings (I calculate about $500/Year) and the car DOES make economic sense regardless of any "green" factor.
     
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    Congratulations on saving money, whoever doesn't buy a Prius. Good luck with that. :lol:

    Sayyyyyyyyyy, NewType is right. It DOESN'T have a cigarette lighter (or ashtray, neither). I hadn't noticed that before. Another reason to love that Prius o mine. :lol: Thanks NewType.
     
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    I live in one of the few areas of the country where it makes sense to own an SUV - Lake Tahoe. In the winter, we often get snow dumped on us very rapidly, have lots of hills (have to cross a 9000 foot pass to get to Reno, the nearest big city), and have very slippery road conditions. When plowing through snow, a powerful vehicle is almost mandatory. The solution to this? A '99 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited as a primary vehicle.

    Most of the time, driving conditions in Tahoe don't require an SUV... we have maybe ten bad days per year that probably wouldn't be appropriate to a non-four wheel drive vehicle. On those ten days, I'm glad to have a Jeep, but the other 355 days are a different story.

    I bought the Prius for three reasons. The first was that gas prices were climbing, and it didn't seem practical to keep spending $40-$50 a week to fill a Jeep that only averages about 12mpg in the mountains.

    The second reason is a little tougher to describe... I call it "liberal guilt". Like a lot of people in this area of the country, I only drove an SUV because it was necessary... but didn't like the 'feeling' of using that car. The Prius, on the other hand, feels good to drive. Looking at the info screens shows that in some small way, I'm having less of a negative impact on the environment than I used to have. As an environmentalist, I was talking the talk, but not walking the walk (or driving the drive, as the case may be). With the Prius, the talk is backed up with action... and that feels good.

    The third reason is the range of amenities that were available on the Prius. On icy roads, the VSC is great, even if the Prius is a two-wheel drive car. The airbags are similar to what one would find in a much more expensive car. The NAV system and the Bluetooth hands-free phone are great options with a lot of 'cool gadget' factor. Most importantly, my dog fits in (and is comfortable in) the back of the car!

    Bottom line, it feels good to drive the Prius. It feels like I'm driving something high tech, and doing something very good for the environment at the same time.

    The Jeep is parked beside the house (currently having it's battery recharged... hasn't been driven since April), waiting for the first one of the ten days when having it will be a good thing!

    Dan
     
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    See, all of you have good reason but Toyota just didn't use many (if not all) of these when promoting the Prius, for example the "clean green" factor, per mark_hamrick's post. :(

    Perhaps there is a reason for that: to try to keep others out of the Prius Community. Just may be. :roll:

    Here is one more not so strong reason to buy a Prius. I am still in University and I live, well, 20 mins driving from campus. One of my friends observed that most Prius owners in the area are either Professors or highly educated people (because they are mostly in a suit).

    So, like driving a Mercedes-Benz or BMW to signify your wealth/income, driving a Prius is to signify your level of education or brain power.

    May be keeping others out from the community is not a bad idea. Martha Stewart would say, "It's a Good Thing." :wink:
     
  18. DaveinOlyWA

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