Should Toyota acknowlege that the braking issue applies to the gen II Priuses?

You did not even think to include any Gen II data points to back up your assertion. Here is a definition of what that is - Speculation: Form a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence. You just pulled a theory out of somewhere where the sun don't shine.

What about the pulsing sensation of ABS engaging do you feel is like you are not totally in control? Were you attempting to pump the brakes, which actually defeats the operation of the ABS?

You must have missed the article about how the ex-NHTSA employees that Toyota hired to represent its interests before the NHTSA managed to get the majority of complains lodged with NHTSA to be ignored. A failure to investigate on the part of NHTSA is not an affirmative finding of fact.

As long as you are going to continue to post misleading information, I will continue to respond and point out your attempts to mislead. You can end it by not posting any further.

 

You have ignored all my questions to you for supporting facts!!! What do you expect as it is all one sided with you.

I am not trying to mislead anyone i am however stating facts based on what information i do have.

How about how far a car actually goes in
750 milliseconds at say 60 MPH.

(750/1,000,000) X 88 ft/sec (60mph=88ft/sec)=.066 ft

or .066 x 12 in/ft = 0.792 inches, wow you lost an inch of stopping distance!!!!!!! at 60 MPH in the Gen III less by about 1/2 that in the Gen II, maybe 1/2 inch.

Much to do about nothing i think.

Get a grip on yourself and get real.

 

The insurance companies tend to be the canary in the cave-and they haven't sqwaked over the brakes. If there was a problem with the brakes on Gen II we would have seen it by now, given the feed between the insurance industry and NHSTA.

 

1 millisecond = 1/1,000 of a second
1 microsecond = 1/1,000,000 of a second

I don't know why I pointed that out because I voted no and don't think there is anything for Toyota to admit to

 

Thanks,

That does make it more interesting and it means that the exact amount of time in the adjustment made by Toyota does have a bigger impact.

100 milliseconds is .1 of a sec so at 30 MPH every 100 milliseconds of adjustment is equal to 4.4 feet of stopping distance.

However i still believe the effect i feel is negligible compared what happens on the std non hybrid and to what the calcualation shows. When ABS is encountered on many standard ICE cars i have owned i get the feeling that the car is not stopping immediately as the ABS pulsates. So i agree with you on my 07 Prius it is not a problem for me, but a characteristic of the system.

Anyway thanks for pointing out my error.

 

Because you are intellectually honest? Also, I would have if you hadn't.

 

The point is to avoid any new public relations disasters. Toyota must do the right thing and fix our cars, for free, as part of routine maintenance. There is no emergency, but it has to be fixed.

Prius is the car of the future and many of us want to help promote it.

 

So far, there is a lot of silence emanating from Toyota.... Another manifestation of Safety deafness?

 

Even if that link is as direct as you claim I stuill have issues with your statement. Firstly, how do you know what insurance adjustments have been made? Secondly, how do you know that the insurance adjustment has not been made, but offset by lower than expected Prius accidents? How do you know how insurance companies price, Prius insurance?

 

When I hit the brakes on a rough or slippery road my brakes don't catch immediately. That happened on my 1957 Ford, my 1968, 1970, 1977 and 1981 Pontiacs, my 1989 Jeep, my 1990 Cadillac, and my 2001 Chevy. Lots of recalls coming.

 

Have you stopped beating your wife?

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Fixed that for you.

 

I never said anything about adjustments at all. What I said was that if there was an abnormally high incidents of claims caused by the Prius brakes the industry would have ratted this out to the NHSTA.

 

Cool... this version is slightly more relevant than the original poll, rather than being equivalently useless. The OP can easily rectify the disparity, of course, by simply adding a "My llama wears underpants" option.

 

Eoin,

This is not exactly the question in the thread title or the poll where
you said, "the braking issue."

The difference is significant. A "braking issue" is different from a
"sensation issue."

Personally, I think in the Gen II what we have is the latter; to some
drivers the brakes feel different than other cars. I don't feel that it
has been clearly established that there is any real safety issue.

Education, that is learning when the sensation may occur, and having
experienced the sensation, generally seems to lead to the conclusion
that, at least in the Gen II, it is not a safety issue.

However, there are some drivers who disagree vehemently.

 

Because the Gen II cars are so yesterday's news?

Or, here is another great one - to get you to trade your Gen II Prius on a Gen III Prius. I think they call that planned obsolescence.

 

bwilson4web is doing some data gathering to quantify the brake drop-out on the Gen II Prius. What if there is something like a 200 to 500 millisecond drop-out? That can easily be the difference between avoiding an accident and being involved in an accident. Would the brake issue still be one of operator 'perception'?

I wonder if Toyota will put the squeeze on bwilson4web to not complete much less publish his study? The reason being, that the moment he publishes his study, Toyota has an affirmative obligation to remedy the situation. If they didn't (release a remedy) then Toyota has a bit of a product liability exposure on their hands.