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How Many of you Insist on TRD Oil Filters ? ?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by New_Yorker, Feb 22, 2010.

  1. New_Yorker

    New_Yorker New Member

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    My Toyota Dealer did not stock the TRD filters, and keeps only the cheaper paper element oil filters. I discovered this when I walked over to the sevice department and asked about the TRD filters for my (41,000 dollar (price + Tax + Interest )2010 Prius). I said to the parts and service manager that I consider the additional cost of about 5 bucks for the better oil filter with synthetic media instaed of paper a cheap protection for my wonderful new Prius. I then ordered 2 of them, one to install at 323 miles, and the other to carry along for when they don't have the TRD filter in the future. Since better oil filters remove smaller wear particles, and hold more of them, and have beter drain back valves it seems the wise precaution to install them. This is especially true during the first 5000 miles when a new engine will typically wear as much as it will during the next 50,000 miles.

    How many of you insist on the better filters ? Also How many of you find their Toyota Dealer, like mine, doesn't stock the better oil filters ?
     
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    I've always considered Toyota OEM filters to be pretty good- even better than a Mobile1 filter for example. This website has a really good overview of many different filters and their specs, and you'll see that Toyota makes a pretty good filter.

    Toyota Filters - Oil Filters Revealed - MiniMopar Resources
     
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    I like that we can now get a synthetic media filter for the Prius, and synthetic media filter smaller particles better, and generally have a larger dirt capacity than non-synthetic filters. I have already purchased the ordinary Toyota filter and will be using this one from 5,000 to 15,000 miles (the 10,000 interval). After that I will be using TRD filters elusively.

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    I did not see the TRD or the Amsoil oil filters in that test. It would be interesting how they compared. I am still hoping that Consumer Reports will one day undertake the challenge to test engine oil filters, God knows they have had many subscribers make the request. Paper filters just do not have the filtration ability of synthetic media to remove the smaller wear particles. Most people would not notice or care, and only long ownership of the engine would demonstrate the benefits. I have made synthetic oil and synthetic media oil filters SOP for every vehicle I've owned since about the mid 1980's
     
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    Advantages to Mobil 1 filters are larger capacity, ease of installation and I can purchase them in bulk.
     
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    The only problem with the Mobil 1 oil filters is, for the Gen-III Prius, they're not readily available (if they even are available).

    The part number for the Mobil 1 filter cartridge for the 2010+ Prius is (or will be) MO980...

    So that's why some of us are going with the TRD filter element for now...
     

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    Given the 10K OCI, I will probably go TRD. Maybe jayman will chime in?
     
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    I agree. I am already getting slight lifter noise at cold start with 6000 hard miles on my car with 0w20 mobil 1. I have one more stock filter and 4 quarts of 0w20 left, so I will probably use it for another 5000 miles. If I decide to go farther later, I will be switching to the TRD filter (about 3x the price) and Amsoil 0w20
     
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    For those of us who don't know what's going on here, what's a TRD filter and why is it better?
     
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    Toyota Racing Design is what a parts guy told me the TRD stood for. The oil filters are made with a synthetic media to capture the tiny metal 'wear particles' created by moving metal parts that have only a thin layer of protective motor oil to protect them and help keep them cool from normal heat of friction. The less expensive standard Toyota Parts filter uses the cheaper less effective paper elements in the filter which also do not capture smaller particles. While this is always an important protection for the engine, it is especially worthwhile to employ a better filter during the first 5000 miles when the engine parts wear the most. I will have changed the oil and filter twice by the time it has 5000 miles on it.
     
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    Is the NAPA Gold filter considered to be equivalent of Toyota OEM?
     
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    IIRC, NAPA oil filters are made by WIX, and WIX is a good quality filter maker. I would use it with no worries.

    It is a paper filter and not synthetic media, so it is not as good as the TRD filter, either in filter capacity (in all likelihood) or in ability to filter small particles.

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    Over the years New cars have gotten equipped with Oil Filters that are physically much smaller than before. The oil filter on my two cylinder John Deere Lawn Tractor is about two to three times the capacity of the oil filter on the four cylinder engine in my new 2010 Prius. The rest of the auto manufacturing industry has largely followed this trend. My 2007 Prius held only 4 quarts of oil and the 2010 holds 4.4 quarts including the filter. Since the motor oil both lubricates and helps to cool the engine it is the 'life blood' of your cars engine. I only use 100% synthetic oil, and the best filters I can find, hence the TRD oil filter. After spending, by the time all the car payments are made, 41 grand for the new Prius it would be the height of stupidity to go for the minimum protection afforded by cheap oil and paper oil filters changed at the limits allowed by the factory warranty. For those who do not realize it, 100% synthetic oil does NOT form engine sludge as the oil is broken down by heat the way reular petroleum oils do, and semi-synthetic don't help at all in this since they contain petroleum motor oil that breaks down. The 'parrafin wax' present in regular oil thickens in the cold, makes the cars starter, battery and lubrication harder until the engine warms, and again 100% synthetic oil has no wax content to do this to your car. Jet engines must use 100% synthetic oils because regular petroleum will solidify at those higher operating temperatures. In short, the 100% synthetic oil is a way to protect your investment in a Prius, save gas, batteries and starter motors, keep the engine clean throughout its life and sludge free, and it is easily worth the added cost.
     
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    Do you guys have any hard numbers to back up the claims that you are making about TRD filters and other "so called" paper filters? Did you put the TRD oil cap on also?
     
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    Not TRD specifically, but synthetic media vs. paper media there is plenty of tests showing a) better filtering and b) higher dirt load. Google on bobistheoilguy.com for beta ratios and synthetic filters - several hours of reading for sure. No question that synthetic media filters better, and longer.

    Does that matter, or is paper filters good enough? That is debatable and there is no empirical evidence that engine require filtering above that which a paper filter supplies, but one can imagine many "just so" scenarios in which it does make a difference or extend the life of an engine.

    Remember - TRD (Toyota Racing Development) is a subsidiary of Toyota Motors USA so their parts are factory "blessed" if that matters to anyone.

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    How often in your life have you gotten More than you paid for ?

    How about doing the Minimum for your investment in a machine, versus doing the best you can. How often has the minimum done the job as well, and cost as little over time ?

    In the 1950's cars were being sold with no oil filters, maybe you could try that. Save a buck maybe ? And air bags, remember Ralph Nader battling the auto makers over that idea. The car companies said nobodied pay extra for them. Think of all the ways the cars of today are more expensive because of such things.

    So where have you read that the basic paper element filter is good enough and the better filter a waste of the extra 5 bucks ?

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    OK - benefits of TRD oil filters aside - which could be debated forever and never have a conclusive answer...

    Has anyone found a reasonably priced source?

    (I just paid my dealer $17 for one). I've located some on the web for what could be as low as $13, but they almost invariably include shipping to the tune of about $10.99...
     
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    I googled 04152-YZZA6 and found the Scion 1.8 uses this filter and ebay has a case of 10 for $42...
     
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    I think that's the "regular" filter. The TRD is PTR4352090.
     
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    That has Scion hits too but no ebay or any sources :(