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Runaway acceleration possible cause?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by abq sfr, Mar 16, 2010.

  1. CharlesJ

    CharlesJ Member

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    Yes, I understand this, thanks.
     
  2. DaveinOlyWA

    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

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    all this is just giving insurance companies the ammunition they need to get the on board computers recording, logging and transmitting data about our second by second driving habits, something they have been lobbying for years to get allowed.

    eventually, all these issues will come down to either driver error or not reproducible. the validity of USA (unintended sudden acceleration...after all, it only seems to happen here in a easy-litigious enabled society) will be hotly debated and the PC thing to do will be to implement monitoring devices to insure that the driver (good luck with that!!) is not lying or unknowingly driving like crap.

    but insurance companies (who had actually agreed to pay the biggest part of the estimated $150 per vehicle cost to install the "auto black boxes") will only use the data to work against the customer filing an accident claim.

    all in all; when this much noise happens, whether its based with a shred of reality or not, change will happen and i am betting it wont be good
     
  3. arachnitect

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    For lack of a better place to post:

    To everyone interested in the whole investigation process, I recommend Bill Adair's book on the investigation of the crash of USAir 427.

    Reading about the accident investigation (737 rudder reversal and crash outside Pittsburgh) shows how hard it is to track down "gremlins" in mechanical systems.

    The 737 had:
    -trained operators
    -an excellent safety record
    -fully mechanical controls (not fly-by-wire)
    -a comprehensive black box record

    and yet the investigation was almost unable to determine a "probable cause"

    One recommendation of the NTSB was to add another channel to the black box, to show the positions of not just the actual rudder, but the rudder pedals as well

    My sympathies to all the engineers at Toyota, et al. tearing their hair out in frustration.

    And for the record, I still drive my prius and fly on 737's.

    -A.
     
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  4. abq sfr

    abq sfr New Member

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    Those poor engineers are probably working 20-hour days trying to figure it out, hopefully they can get some rest soon. At least they have fewer and bigger pieces to work with than in a plane crash :eek: It always amazes me what they can figure out from such an unfortunate mess.
     
  5. carz89

    carz89 I study nuclear science...

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    What is "runaway acceleration" anyway? Does that mean that the rate of acceleration is increasing? If anything, the rate of acceleration would be decreasing as the vehicle encountered increasing wind resistance. Again, an example of a phrase coined by the media with no understanding of physics. "Runaway vehicle", "Continuously accelerating vehicle", or "stuck wide-open throttle" are a bit more appropriate.

    The obvious root cause? It's simple ... constant force. There ... it's solved, finished. Let's move on. ;)
     
  6. abq sfr

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    Unintended Acceleration is probably the best label. "I was drag racing the Corvette next to me with my traction battery at 70% and the dang go pedal got stuck under the floor mat!". Then the Corvette driver realized I was drag racing him... That's about the only time my go pedal goes to the floor.