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My oil choice for 2010 Prius

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by rumpledoll, Dec 11, 2009.

  1. rumpledoll

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    My Package V Prius has 1078 miles so far and I started thinking about what oil to use when the times comes to change it should be. I choose Honda 0W-20.


    I live in the NE USA and most of my driving is short trips with a few medium trips thrown in. Extremely little high speed highway driving. I bought the Prius for it's great gas milage and the recommended weight of 0W-20 fits in well with my goals and driving style. As a side note I switched my 2007 Prius to 0W-20 before it was sadly totaled by hitting a dear.


    From used oil analyses that I've seen, the factory oil fill in the 2010 Prius has loads of molybdenum. It is unclear if this molybdenum is from the oil, assembly grease or a combination. However, Toyota has it in and both Toyota 0W-20 oil and Honda 0W-20 oil have a sizable molybdenum content in the oil from the various virgin oil analyses I've seen as well.


    Mobil 1 makes a widely available 0W-20, but it has no molybdenum and I've been less than sanguine about Mobil 1 since the flap with Mobil 1 5W-30 failing the ASTM Seq. IVA valvetrain wear test.


    Amsoil makes a great 0W-20, but it's viscosity is at the high end of 20 weight oils and I want something thinner. I used this in my 2007 prius because it was thicker than any other 20 weight that I've found.


    Redline makes a very interesting 0W-20, and it is one of the few besides Honda and Toyota that has molybdenum in it. I would have used it except that it has a very high level of ZDDP (above even that which is found in older SL rated oils) which while great for reducing engine wear can, over time, poison the catalytic converter shortening it's life. I want good wear protection without trading off against catalytic converter life


    Penzoil Platinum makes a 0W-20, but I do not know about it besides a nice low viscosity. If this oil becomes more widely available I may use it in the future.


    Eneos makes a 0W-20 and rumor has it that it is the source of Toyota's 0W-20, but I do not know if that is true or much about the oil.


    For now I will be using Honda 0W-20 and Toyota 0W-20 oil for my Prius.


    Rumple
     
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    Do you think Toyota will/can void your warranty if you use another oil than is sold at the dealership? (Mobil 1- 0-30w).:eek:
     
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    It's my understanding that Mobil 1 oils do have moly, albeit at around 85 ppm, vs the much higher levels of others' oils. (See bobistheoilguy.com).

    Mobil 1 oils and Toyotas have performed very well in the past, for me and others on bobistheoilguy.com, so I plan to go with M-1, after using my stock of Eneos 0W-20. Those interested in Eneos can look on Amazon.com, where it is available, but it ain't cheap.

    Now to start some arguing, I'd say that moly isn't as important in the Prius engine as in some other engines, say like the 1MZ-FE. Our Prius engines don't have the numerous meshing gears or super-high temperatures of some other engines. Comments please?
     
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    Only if the oil is not the viscosity Toyota Requires, 0W-20 or the higher viscosity 0W-30 when driven in high stress applications. Synthetic Oil is still far and away the best oil to use, that is 100% Synthetic like Amsoil or Mobil-1, made from a mineral oil not petroleum base oil.
     
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    Nowhere in the Owners Manual is the oils choice and molybdenum content even mentioned. That suggests it is simply entirely unimportant in choosing the oil. Have molybdenum or don't have molybdenum, Toyota simply doesn't care. They do however, care a great deal about the weight of the oil.
     
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    I would think moly a great additive for Hybrid cars given the start stop nature of the ICE.

    When my free oil changes run out in 2 years, it will a tough choice. Redline is over kill, but I also won't worry about the cats unless the Prius 1.8 seems to burn oil. If it ins't burning it, then it's a non issue for me. I've used redline 5W20 in my other cars and it worked great.
     
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    They care about the weight of the oil because they have to meet CAFE mileage standards.
     
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    Strange you say that. 0W-20 is the viscosity rating. I would persume Amsoil has the same viscosity as the others.

    I am using Amsoil myself. I can't even get mobile 1 0W20 here
     
  9. rumpledoll

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    The hot (non-W) number specifies a range of viscosities for the oil. The manufacturer is free to place the oil anywhere in that range. For example, high mileage oils are generally thicker than their non-high mileage counterparts.

    Another example looking at two 0W-20 oils. Here is the product data sheet for Pennzoil 0W-20 oil (click on the "product data sheet icon). You can see that it's 100C viscosity is 8.39cSt while Amsoil 0W-20 has a 100C viscosity of 9.0cSt. Amsoil 0W-20 has the highest viscosity of any 20 weight that I've managed to find.

    The ranges of viscosities specified for a 20 weight oil at 100C is defined to be more than 5.6cSt and less than 9.3cSt. (see here for the full details ). Most 20 weight oils seem to be in the 8.0cSt - 9.0cSt range.

    Rumple



     
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    You are right about M1 having some non-trivial amounts of moly, and as you point out it is only around 10% or so of the amount that the Toyota/Honda/Redline have.

    The two unique characteristics of the Toyota 0W-20 oil is it's high moly and it's high viscosity index (VI). The high VI may help in mitigating the rough start issues that some people occasionally have, especially if the issue is in the oil driven variable valve intake system control (VVT-i). This is pure speculation.

    The bottom line is that *any* 0W-20 that meets SM/GF-4 (or now the new SN oils coming out) will work fine for the most part. Fretting about oil choice is playing on the margins and might make some small difference in some cases, but only worry about it if you like to worry about oils (which I do!)

    Rumple

     
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    Slight terminology issue - mineral oil is petroleum base. See [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_oil"]here[/ame] for this quote "In today's petroleum exploration and production (E&P) business, the phrase "mineral oil" is most often used in legal documents to define and encompass all of the liquid hydrocarbon and gaseous products produced from wells drilled into underground petroleum-bearing reservoirs".

    What you are thinking of is the group of the oil (I, II, III, IV or V). The first widely marketed to consumers, and still many of the finest, synthetic oils are group IV oils or polyalpha-olefins (PAO) oils. Group V oils are esters. Group III oils are also marketed as synthetics in the USA and are extremely refined and modified petroleum oil rather than being synthesized from smaller molecules such as group IV and group V synthetics. They perform extremely well and similar to the group IV and V oils.

    Some people like to run oils with more group IV or V base oils rather than group III. It is very difficult to get the base oil breakdowns of oils as most manufacturers do not tell you, so it is a bit like tea leaf reading. Over at bobistheoilguy.com you can Google to see the various opinions as to what oils are made with what bases.

    Rumple



     
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    i love arguing about operating systems, politics and motor oils...
     
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    Me too, but only if they are all combined in the same argument.
     
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    Ok thanks for the info. Yes I think I chose Armsoil based on that. A bit more viscosity means more portection to the engine.
     
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    They make the best synthetic motor oils of all, just don't use the cheapo 7500 version they crank out for the Jiffy Lubes.
     
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    My owners manual advises a 'higher viscosity' motor oil in severe load or continuous high speed driving situations, so I changed over at 323 miles to Amsoil's 0-W30 for a trip from NYC to Atlanta and back, about 2000 miles all at high speeds, and heavy loads. I also use the TRD oil filters as well.
     
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    Mobile 1 .... I have used this for 20 plus years ... it simply is the best!

    :rockon:
     
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    My dealer uses Mobil 1
     
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    The only way to put to bed any concerns about using xW-20 in a motor is with used oil analysis. My '04 Prius I ran Mobil 1 0W-20 for most of the time I had that car, with excellent used oil analysis reports

    My '07 FJ is approved to use 5W-20 or 0W-20, and my used oil analysis results running the same Mobil 1 0W-20 were not so great. Have had much better results with Mobil 1 0W-40 or the made in Germany Castrol Syntec 0W-30

    YMMV

    Speaking of which, no real difference running Mobil 1 0W-20 in either the Prius or the FJ
     
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    Real good post Rumple. I tried Redliines 0-20 and in the dead of summer I got great gas mileage but the motor was making a little to much valve train noise for me. It was clickety clackin' more than usual. It worried me. I think in Florida's dead of summer 0-20 may be to thin. Just my opin. It was wicked hot during that period.

    So I went back to Mobil One 10-30.