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Smart key for two cars

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Main Forum' started by Andate caga, May 2, 2010.

  1. Andate caga

    Andate caga New Member

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    I just bought a 2010 prius, my wife got my old 2006 prius. We now have two smart keys to deal with that can get large on a keychain.

    Is there any way to combine the keys?

    I also read a few years back that there was a watch in Japan that acted as the smart key. Is there anything like that out there that may be an alternative?
     
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    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    No, at least not with the Gen II Prius. The fobs use a rolling code system that will get out of sync if you use the fob with more than one car. They could be designed to work with more than one car, but so far I know of no one that has made it work.

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    No.

    What you can do is tape the keys together and you have 2 in 1.
     
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    I was afraid of this.

    What are the differences in the fob? I thought it was just using an encrypted RFID chip.

    Please bore me with details. I am an engineer.

    I plan on doing a Lithium battery mod to the 2006 prius after the warranty is up so this one is a keeper.

    Are there any white papers on the key fobs?
     
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    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    It's more than just an encrypted RFID, in that the SKS has an active transponder, but functionally you can think of it as such. If you think about it, using the same code each time would be a huge security risk, since anyone with a radio receiver could intercept the code and copy it. Because of this, the encryption or code needs to change with each use. This works by having the fob and car stay together. Each time they successfully negotiate, the fob and car both advance pointers to the next code (effectively if not physically).

    If you moved to another car and used the same fob, it would work with that car and then advance to the next code. When you came back to the first car the code would be out of sync.

    Obviously this can happen in normal use, so the fob and car have the ability to resync over a limited range. The larger this range, the less security, so there must be a finite limit.

    You could design a fob to work with two or more cars, just as the car can work with four fobs. The fob would need to keep track of each car. Technically it isn't hard, but it adds cost.

    Most of the security chip manufacturers are pretty tight lipped about how they work, for obvious reasons. One of the most popular is Keeloq from Microchip. You can look at their website for more information:

    wwwkeeloqdcPgTitle

    Tom