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Any ideas? P3009 and info code 526 overheating

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by maestra90, Jul 18, 2010.

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    Toyota is throwing in the towel again. They still think it could be the AC. They tried their HV tool thing and they couldn't get it to short again. They drove it 70 miles and couldn't get it to do it again. I, on the other hand, can't even drive it to Toyota without the lights going off. I guess I'll drive around without AC and see if it clears up??? I don't really know what else to do. This time they had the regional guy and 3 other techs from the state looking at it (because they were there for something else).
     
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    Maybe I should try to find an aftermarket Prius place and see what they say. Anybody know one in Denver?
     
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    Well, not to beat a dead horse, but can we revisit the radiator fan issue? The reason I ask is that I've seen other Toyota dealers miss this, even when pointed to it.

    If you have backwards fan blades, the car will stay cool at low speeds, but will tend to overheat at higher speeds, such as on an expressway. It will also tend to overheat when using the A/C, and of course on hot days. You will also see incorrect--and high--indications of outside air temperature, since the air from the radiator is blowing across the sensor. This is especially true at lower speeds.

    On my vehicle, the dealer replaced the inverter pump, but I suspect it wasn't actually bad. They were just trying out theories about possible causes. Kind of expensive troubleshooting, but I got a new pump out of the deal. And the dealer never found the real problem.

    As Patrick suggested, you can rule this out by verifying that the 7-blade fan is on the right (passenger) side of the vehicle, and the 5-blade fan is on the left side. Although it's conceivable that the motors are reversed, the usual scenario is for the fan blades to be reversed--left/right sides.
     
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    Alright--
    I went and got the car and I drove it to COS today (85 miles) with the AC off (well, I noticed later that the fan was on but the yellow line above AC was off) and it did fine--no dtc's. Then when I drove back about an hour later the dtc's went off just as I was almost home. I exited the ramp--came almost to a stop and then the code blew. Come to think of it, it always happens when stopping. Do I need to do another test when it actually says Air Conditioner OFF or do you think without the yellow line is enough (it still said MAX COOL at the top but was blowing hot)? The dealer says it's NOT overheating and the fans were blowing to the back of the engine when I got there.
     
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    Could the AC oil still cause the DTC's even when it's off? I liked it better when I at least thought I knew what I was dealing with.
     
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    If the yellow bar is not illuminated over the AC icon, then the AC compressor will not turn on (if the windshield defroster is not turned on.)

    I had expected that if DTC P3009 appears, then there must be a problem with the AC compressor or the inverter circuits that power the compressor. However I would not expect the DTC to be logged if the AC compressor is not powered up.

    Have you already turned the car IG-OFF? If yes, can it be restarted or not?
     
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    Patrick-
    After I turn the car off, it will restart but will not go into R or D. I have to unhook the battery and turn it on and even then the check engine lights are still on and I have to turn it off/on a few more times to get all the lights off and be able to put it into gear (maybe it's the waiting?). While I'm driving I get the yellow brake light, the red triangle and on the screen the red hybrid car and it says problem but still drives and they tell me this has consistently been P3009 info code 526. After I unhook the battery I get the check engine, brake light, VSC, and it says problem and beeps.
    Michele
     
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    Referring to the repair manual, when P3009 is logged here is the troubleshooting sequence:

    1) disconnect high voltage cable leading from inverter to compressor and measure resistance from ground to each of the three terminals on the inverter. The resistance should be > 2 megohms. If not, replace the inverter.

    2) disconnect high voltage cable leading to compressor and measure resistance from ground to each of the three terminals. The resistance should be > 2 megohms. If not, replace the AC compressor.

    If the above tests are OK, then:

    3) run the AC compressor for 10 minutes. Then turn off the car and leave overnight. Disconnect the cable leading to the compressor and measure resistance as in #2 above, minimum resistance should be > 3 megohms. If not, replace the compressor.

    Perhaps you might inquire regarding whether those tests were done. If so, and no problems were found, then the AC compressor is probably bad (but flaky enough so that the problem does not happen while the techs are checking out the car.)
    It sounds like you've become expert at disconnecting the 12V battery to reset the ECUs. When you do so, do you leave the battery disconnected at least 5 minutes to let the ECU memory completely clear? I am concerned that you see warning lights associated with the skid control ECU appear when you restore power.
     
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    Patrick--
    My dad installed a battery interruptor on the negative post so I can just take out the red key and get it to reset. I have not been leaving if off for 5 minutes, closer to about 30 seconds. I didn't know that it made a difference, but I will leave it out longer next time that may be why I'm getting extra lights afterwards. Before I got the switch it took forever to get the connection off of the post and then back on properly--way more than 5 minutes. I also thought if I was parking at home with the lights on, I should check and see if they'll clear up after a while by themselves. I've been logging the mileage so that I have a record of how often, etc. that it happens. Could it be a momentary short that makes the code blow, but doesn't really cause any damage to the car? How many miles of wires are in this car?
     
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    Note that the high voltage ground fault is not causing "damage" to the car, to the extent that the systems are continuing to function. This is more of a safety issue. If a ground fault exists, then in the event of an accident that impacts the high voltage system, the car might have an electrical short that would be dangerous.

    The fault is either with the inverter, the AC compressor, or the orange high voltage cable connecting the two. The cable is probably 3-4 feet long and you can see it if you look for the AC compressor.

    Since your car was in a front-end accident, I am wondering whether the cable might have been damaged?