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Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Fuel Economy' started by Evie1980, Aug 26, 2010.

  1. Evie1980

    Evie1980 New Member

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    Hello!

    I am the proud owner of my first Prius II, 2010. I'll start by saying I love my Prius and I know as I learn to drive it better and more efficiently, I will get more and more out of it. I want to learn how to maximize my gas mileage, curious as to what I can do or if I just need to be patient since it is a brand new car....I filled out the

    questionnaire to the best of my knowledge (since Im' sitting at my desk at work doing this rather than...working). Thanks in advance for any help or tips anyone has! And geez, thanks for taking the time to read through all my answers! Sorry if Im' missing too much info...​


    Evie :)


    - What fuel economy are you getting and how are you determining fuel economy? (trip computer or manual calculations)



    With manual calculations (primitive, I’m bad at math) I am getting 40 mgs. Give or take. My odometer is at 418 and I have 2 bars left on my gas gauge. 418 miles so far on full tank out from dealer. I have not filled it up yet on my own. Left the lot with 18 miles on it, drove it home from Marin County, to South San Jose, CA. Since then, to work and home only.




    - What fuel economy are you expecting and why?


    I was expecting 45-50ish range but I know it’s a new car so maybe it really does need to be broken in?




    - What are the approximate outside air temps?



    I live in CA Bay Area (south bay) so mornings here are cool, in the high 50’s and afternoons in Cupertino (where I work) are in the high 80’s. This past week has been record high though, high 90’s near 100.



    - How long are your trips?


    Pretty much only driving to and from work. 20 miles each way 80% on freeway, half of that time spent in stop and go traffic.



    -How old is your 12v battery? What is the voltage reading of your 12v battery after sitting over night?


    My battery is brand new. Brand new car.



    -Have you had your alignment checked? Any pulling or abnormal tire wear?


    Should be in place, brand new car.



    - How much of it is city vs. highway? Roughly what's the average speed in overall and of each segment? Is there a lot of stop and go driving?



    I would say 13-14 miles of my commute is freeway with major stop and go. Average speed is around 55-60 when moving. When creeping along, about 25-35.



    - What's the terrain like of your drives? (e.g. flat, gentle hills, steep hills, etc.)


    Relatively flat where I live, freeway has some minor hills and inclines but for the most part pretty flat.



    - What are your tire pressures?


    I’m sorry I haven’t checked yet.



    - Is your oil overfilled? (i.e. above the full mark on the dipstick)


    I haven’t looked yet.



    - Make, model, year, engine and transmission of previous car? (e.g. 08 Honda Civic Si 2.0L 4 cylinder, manual transmission) What did you actually get on the same trips/commute? (Please give us actual numbers, not EPA ratings.)


    I had a 2006 VW Passat 2T. It had the turbo engine. I never did any major calculations with that car; I just know I filled that darned tank a lot. It got pretty decent mileage though on long trips.


    - What region/state are you in? (if you haven't set your location)




    San Jose, CA and commute to Cupertino daily.




    - How are you trying to drive (e.g. trying to stay in electric only?) and how hard are you braking?


    - What modes are you using, if any? "normal", EV, power, eco?





    I am trying to use eco as often as possible. I use power only when getting on the freeway.



    - Are you "warming up" the ICE (internal combustion engine) by letting it idle after powering on?


    Not really. I was told not to do that with my passat and I’m always in a hurry. Does that make a significant difference?



    - Are you driving using D or B mode?


    I am driving in D mode



    - HVAC settings? Are you using the heater, AC, auto mode, etc.? If using auto, what temp is it set to?


    When using the Auto I have it set to 70 in the am and 69 when I’m using the ac.



    - Are you using the factory tires and wheels? If not, please indicate tire make, model and size (e.g. Goodyear Assurance Fuel Max 185/65R15).

    Factory tires and wheels.
     
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  2. alfon

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    Are you sure your tire size is 185 x 65 x 15? I have a 2010 Prius II and the tire size is 195 x 65 x15.

    Also do not rely on your computer read out for MPG. This method has been documented by real world owners that it will be consistently off by about 3 MPG.

    So if your MPG guage read out is say, 50 MPG your real MPG should be about 47 MPG.

    alfon
     
  3. Evie1980

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    Hi Alfon,

    Thanks so much for the reply. I will make sure to check the tires to know for sure. With regards to MPG, I am going to try to rely more on manual calculations so I know I need to start that when I get my first full tank of gas.

    Thanks again! Evie
     
  4. Rae Vynn

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    That first tank from the dealer is not optimal for figuring mpg.

    Wait until you've filled the tank yourself a couple of times, do the math manually, and then decide what your MPG is on average.

    Yes, the car does need to "break in", as do the tires. You will see a couple of marked MPG improvements, at about 800 miles and again at about, what, 1200? yeah, about that.

    Don't try to crawl in ECO/EV mode. that really isn't efficient, and will bring the MPG down. Accelerate from stop lights/signs briskly, then ease off. Trying to minimize brake usage will do you more good than minimizing acceleration. In other words, anticipate traffic and signals, and use inertia to your advantage.

    Welcome! :)
     
  5. Evie1980

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    Thanks for the welcome Rae! Just what I needed! A few informed suggestions. I have been creeping when I accelerate from a stop so that is a great tip. I had a feeling that I needed to wait until I fill up on my own to really get a an accurate idea as to what I'm working with. I'll do so and post my progress. Love this forum! I'm learning so much.

    Thanks again! :) EVIE
     
  6. darelldd

    darelldd Prius is our Gas Guzzler

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    More importantly, you can't determine much of anything about your mpg on the first tank. You have no idea how full it was or how hard anybody drove it before you...and the car is still breaking in. Not fret mileage for the first couple of tanks, and then start paying more attention.
     
  7. JimboPalmer

    JimboPalmer Tsar of all the Rushers

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    I am going to tell you to wait for yet another reason. You should be learning the controls, finding your blind spots and testing your braking and handling. I like you (I like everyone until they prove otherwise) and want you safe. Three tanks in you will be familier with where everything is and can risk paying more attention to the mileage graphs and strategies.

    Have fun, and I bet it improves as you become used to the car and what it is 'saying' to you.
     
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  8. Evie1980

    Evie1980 New Member

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    So it seems the popular answer is to be patient and wait until I've filled up a few times. Thanks so much for the advice!
     
  9. Evie1980

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    Hey thanks...I like you too! I kind of love this forum! Thanks for the tips Jimbo. Driving this Prius is whole new experience and I jkow I need to slow down and get to know it :)
     
  10. rpeek2

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    Here's a couple answers for comparison.

    My ride has about 4,000 miles on it. Average MPG 42-43 actual. Tire pressure @ 36 F&R. Drive it like any other car(in D)--moderate acceleration in normal mode, moderate braking making use of regen. No warm-up. When it says Ready, I'm ready. Most driving is in town, flat, average stop and go @ 40MPH. Best mileage to date just shy of 50, all highway, 60-70 MPH. A/C on most of the time set @ 75 degrees(90-100 Outside). I drive Kansas roads on OEM--IV tires and wheels sans the ugly wheel covers.
    Congrats on the new car. Enjoy it for another few thousand miles before making any meaningful calculations.
    Anymore questions just ask. Somebody here always has an answer.
     
  11. Codyroo

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    Welcome to Prius Chat!

    1. Thank you VERY MUCH for filling out the questionnaire, it really does help with answering questions.

    2. I echo what all the others say here, just "drive" the car for the first few tanks and get used to it. Believe it or not, your heavy commute may be able to yield phenomenal MPG's, especially if you learn some pulse and glide techniques (for the slow and go traffic).

    3. There is another, similar thread that was up recently. If you haven't already read it try this link

    http://priuschat.com/forums/gen-iii...42-gas-mileage-help-38-3-mpg-whats-wrong.html

    Lonewolf69 had similar observations. Although your situations aren't identical, they are similar and many of the suggestions given to him will work for you as well.

    Enjoy!
     
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    Agree with the patience advice. Not too early to read though. Begin to learn pulse & glide by reading Hobbit's write-up: HSI

    Get those tires aired up to as high as max sidewall (-2 in back), a little less for rough roads.

    Learn to conserve your momentum. Regen braking is great, but not nearly as efficient as not braking in the first place.

    You should be in the 50's after a few tanks of learning.
     
  13. macman408

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    Avoid using the brakes, that's the #1 thing you can do. It might help to find an alternate route to work (or go earlier or later) to avoid traffic. Using the climate control less (and when you do use it, keeping the temperature far from any extreme) will help some too; when you use heat, remember that the heat came from burning gasoline, and now the engine has to burn more to keep warm. At highway speeds, there's probably an excess of heat, and the engine has to be spinning all the time anyway, so it's less of a worry then. When using air conditioning, turn the temperature up as high as you can while still feeling comfortable. You might also consider using just the fan (A/C off), or cracking a couple windows if you're moving slowly. But keep in mind that the battery likes to be at room temperature too, so A/C on a 100-degree day is a good thing - but 75 is better than 69.
     
  14. Codyroo

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    Just to clarify the "no brakes" advice....

    In order to achieve this state a few things need to be done.

    1) You must not tailgate. You need some distance between you and the car in front of you.

    2) You need to try to look way ahead of you.

    3) You need to anticipate stops.

    You are looking for what traffic is doing so you can react appropriately. If you see brake lights ahead (because of a merge or something) you want to let off the accelerator pedal and coast (with or without engine braking) and bleed off speed that way. Ditto that if a light is turning to red or is already red.

    You will still need to brake and you shouldn't wait to brake hard at the last second. The game is to see how long you can avoid braking (through coasting) and to see if you can keep some momentum for when traffic starts moving again.
     
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    May I add to all the points provided here by other esteemed members: You don't have to baby the gas paddle in ECO mode (or any other mode) and accelerate like a crawling snail. Crisp acceleration (thus the term "Pulse" in P&G) is actually more fuel efficient and the faster you attain the speed of traffic flow the longer distance you can "Glide" the Prius before next stoppage.
     
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    mainerinexile No longer in exile!

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    This is great advice from Codyroo. The increased following distance gets you good mpg, and don't overlook that it makes you a safer driver.

    Here is one more: learn to anticipate the terrain as well as the traffic. Out on the road when traffic is light, I look for downhills to accelerate while still keeping the mpg at or near 100, and try to keep an even speed or even let it drop a bit going up hills. On gently rolling hills, I can sometimes keep the instantaneous mpg at 100 for miles using this method.

    Think of your Prius as a gasoline-electric-gravity hybrid and use gravity to your advantage whenever possible.

    And by the way, my gas mileage has gone from high 40s to nearly 60 in the first four months of ownership, due to break-in and learning how to drive it.
     
  17. Evie1980

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    Thanks to EVERYONE for your input. Wow, what an awesome community :) I'm so glad I joined!

    Now that I'm another week in, I have increased my mpg to 49.5! Better and better! I think I was getting stuck in the "accelerate slowly" mentality, now that I am pulsing a bit more I'm getting a bit better at the glide. I also was so surprised to only pay about $35 bucks to fill up (about 200 miles driven on it this first tank from me). I know its a small tank and I came from a huge 06 2t Passat tank, but what a bang for my buck with a little itty bitty tank! Loves it!

    With more time and practice, maybe I'll jump into the 50's though I'm pretty darned happy with what I've got now!! At 688 miles on my odometer so far, I know I've got plenty of break in and practice time to go.

    Thanks again everyone! Yay Prius! :cheer2:
     
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