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Mosque at Ground Zero?

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  1. GrumpyCabbie

    GrumpyCabbie Senior Member

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    Seeing as the nearest Muslim Cultural Center or Mosque to me is the one that the London bombers [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings]7 July 2005 London bombings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame] went to, I think I'll give it a miss. :(
     
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    Philosophe 2010 Prius owner

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    Huh? The US can crash its own economy without any outside help... As the current economy crash as been caused by the lack of rules around the bank system in the US, are you refering specifically to the bush administration here by "an extremist religious group"?
     
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    No, Bush was not an extremist group exactly, Al Qaeda was the extremist group that got Bush to spend stupidly, that was actually part of Al Qaeda's plan, all Bush did was follow their plan. Now, Al Qaeda being Islamic has carried over to religious bigotry, trying to destroy the foundations of what this country used to stand for, and Americans should be ashamed they let that happen.

    Question, Tim McVeigh was a just released veteran upset at the government, because he was a vet, should we not allow vets near government buildings, or have VFW posts near government buildings because of the potential?
     
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    Profile: Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the man behind the NYC Islamic center - CNN.com

    Fair and balanced article (no, not like Fox). One of the people quoted in this profile categorizes Islam into traditionalists, modernists and mystics, which is probably more useful for purposes of this discussion than referring to the Sunni and Shia denominations.

    Also, here's the article with the head guy's direct comments:

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/07/new.york.islamic.center.islamophobia/index.html

    Note: CNN's Soledad O'Brien has an exclusive interview with Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf on "Larry King Live" Wednesday at 9 p.m. ET.


     
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    I oppose the Koran burning for the same reason the mosque should not be built two blocks from Ground Zero - it's insensitive and promotes strife.

    I fear someone will think of something else like this and the spitting match will go on and on.

    Not only is it likely to incite violence, but on spiritual grounds I also have a problem with it....afraid the pastor is a publicity whore intoxicated by this. :(
     
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    Certainly not! There is interesting information popping up about the leader of this church that brings a bit of light to the protest. More to come I am sure.
     
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    Both matters play right into the hands of the fanatics, both Christian and Islamic, the big difference is that Islamic fanatics have been telling all the other muslims in the Middle East that Americans hate Islam, so this plays right into the hands of the so called terrorists we are fighting. And guess what, that is exactly what the US has been doing, playing and following the exact plan of the very people we are fighting.

    The Islamic center should be built there if they want it, it should be a no brainer, its not on Ground Zero, its a center for all faiths, its run by one of the few muslim sects that have had nothing to do with fanaticism or terrorism, they are AMERICAN muslims, and they really didn't plan for it to have controversy, which it should not have had, American muslims died on 9/11 also.
     
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    And am I right or am I right, but is it not the same God for Jews, Christians and Muslims?
     
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    In terms of forefathers, sure. They share [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham"]Abraham[/ame] father of Isaac and Ishmael.
    Whether they praise and worship the one true God, well that is entirely an individual choice.
     
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    isn't the American system of government in direct odds with Islam?
     
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    Any secular government should be at direct odds with religion of any sect everywhere that religion intrudes against universal rights and freedoms, e.g. gay marriage, contraception/family planning, pregnancy termination, dispension and provision of pharmaceuticals/medical interventions, compulsory rites, etc.

    The familiar concept is that the gov't should be hands off with respect to religion, but its more important role is to put up a restraining hand against religious practice that causes real damage.
     
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    I guess it is as "a bit disrespectful [sic]" as it would to burn any of these: bibles, torah, American flag, etc.
     
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    A bit disrespectful, yes, but within Constitutional free speech.

    The best response to this "minister" would be to just not show up for his little barbecue.
     
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    I'm surprised no one has suggested inverting the title and making Ground Zero at the Mosque. :heh:

    Tom
     
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    Oh, we've made dozens of mosques ground zero in Iraq.
     
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    Was that before or after Saddam had gassed them? :rolleyes:
     
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    BBC News - In pictures: Anger at US pastor's Koran burning plan

    Apparantly Muslims around the world are protesting because a Christian Pastor of a small Church said he would (but hasn't yet) burn a Koran in opposition to a Mosque at Ground Zero. To protest at this Pakistani Muslims have burnt the American flag.

    Why arn't Americans protesting outside the Pakistani Embassy burning their flag in retaliation? Why are some Muslims so so excitable and have a need to burn something - a flag or an effigy?

    It was perhaps disrespectful for the Pastor to burn the Koran, but surely the protesters are equally disrespectful burning the US flag?

    Is it one rule for one?
     
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    Was that before or after Reagan gave Saddam hundreds of millions of dollars?
     
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    In a word... apathy. The country is becoming so divided for which it stands. The lack of direction is splintering US. There are those that believe that makes us more acceptable to the rest of the world...