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My Prius Exit Interview

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Main Forum' started by nylion, Sep 6, 2010.

  1. nylion

    nylion New Member

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    I have been a member of this forum for over 3 years. I started out with a 2006 Series 8 with nav. (Yes, in 2006 there was a series 8). I kept it until July 2009. I traded it for a 2010 V AT. I have had that car for 1 1/4 years. During those years I have discussed some issues that ranged from unintended acceleration (my 2006) to simple technical questions. Some of the responses I got were reasoned, civil, and helpful. A few so-called oldtimers have their technology wrong and proclaim their errors to the world (specifically 64k colors believing that the brake issue with the 2010 is the 300ms lag between regen and friction. For the record, that's wrong. Ask Toyota).

    On Saturday (Sept 5) I made a momentous move. I traded my Gen III for a 2010 370Z. That move makes my participation here moot. However, because so many people here have been kind and helpful to me, I decided to do an "exit interview" to explain my decision and to give you my view of the Gen III I have had for over a year.

    Why did you decide to trade? It had to be expensive for you.

    It was a very difficult decision. Over the last year I noticed that when my wife and I traveled together I wanted her to do the driving. We took her truck (2009 Tacoma) rather than me take her in the Prius. This is a radical change in my behavior. Over the years I always elected to use my car for joint travel of any kind.

    This summer I realized that I have gradually lost the fun of driving. Taking my Prius was transportation. No joy behind the wheel for me. I never worried much about mileage. I got a consistent 40 - 45 mpg depending on time of year. That was fine with me. It was fun to spend under $20 for two weeks of driving. But it wasn't fun for me to drive.

    I have mostly owned sports cars. I have had a Porsche C, a Triumph Spitfire, a 240Z and a MR2. I loved driving those cars. Before the first Prius, I had been driving a Camry XLE. The Camry didn't offer great road feel either. I bought the first Prius because I am a technology early adopter and fell in love with the amazing hybrid technology. I bought the second because I felt I needed to change for safety.

    Now there is absolutely nothing wrong with how it feels to drive a Prius. It responds fairly well to driver actions. It's safe. It is moderately speedy. It performs like a well-bred family car.

    So here I am getting older and more in touch with the idea that I will *have* to drive something like a Prius in not-too-many years. And I finally became conscious that driving had lost its zing for me.

    I decided I want the fun of driving back. So, I took the plunge to a 20mpg sports car. I got it Saturday and have been loving driving again.

    What did you like best about your Gen III AT

    Oddly, I loved the adaptive cruise control. I also think that stability control aside, the car has great handling for a sedan. Controls are located intuitively and there is a very short learning curve to drive the car. The gas mileage was as advertised. The car never needed any kind of repair, and neither car showed any noticeable tire wear after three years for the '06 and one year for the '10.

    Leg room front and back is fine. The back deck holds a lot of stuff. When the rear seats are folded down, there is as much cargo space as I ever needed. In the Gen III the hybrid system was flawless. It felt like I was driving a conventional sedan automatic transmission car. That is amazing considering that the Prius has computer controls and a hybrid system. It was a fine car to own and I would freely recommend it to anyone.

    What didn't you like about the Prius?

    There is little-to-no road "feel". Steering is loose and offers no feedback from the road. The turning radius was very good. I just couldn't feel the road the way I like. The acceleration is not very good (0 to 60 in around 11 seconds). It's fine around town, but passing on a two-lane road is a bit scary.

    The biggest flaw with my Gen III AT was the cabin tech. For the world's most advanced car, the cabin technology was way behind. The navigation is no better than my 2004 Camry's. The DVD-based system didn't allow the nav to "learn" from my driving. The Z's navigation is hard drive based and learns lots of things. The voice commands were pretty limited and the ability to understand them is fair-to-poor. By contrast, the Z has a "learn" mode where you and up to three others can repeat commands and the car will learn to understand how you say words. Now that is twenty-first century!

    The Prius seats (even in leather) don't really hug your body. Toyota could do a lot of work improving the bucket seat contours. By contrast, sitting in the Z feels like you are in the hand of a glove. I am not a small guy (6' 2", 280 lbs) and I fit easily into the Z cockpit.

    Now that you made the change, was it a good decisions?

    That's a hard question. I am sure I am going to miss the great gas mileage of my Prius. But now I want to drive. I can't wait to get into the car and go. It isn't just because it is new (well, partly it's because it is new), but mostly it is because I feel that I am driving this car.

    It's silly to compare the speed and handling of a 370Z with a Prius. That's just unfair to the Prius. The Z owns the road. The Prius takes you for a ride. So, after only two days, I don't regret the change. Ask me again in a few months.

    Any last words?

    I loved owning a Prius. I love the technology and the incredible attention to engineering detail that Toyota put into it. I didn't love the fact that the Prius is engineered to be a tame, family sedan. That's not the car's fault. I didn't trade my Gen III in because it was a bad car that I regret buying. I made the change because I want one more chance to enjoy the pure joy of a sports car. If I could afford it, I would have kept the Prius and bought the Z too. There are going to be times that I will want my Prius back.

    The best way I can put the difference between my Z and Prius is by anthropomorphizing the two cars. My Prius was more like my mom; it was sensible, didn't go too fast, made sure I was safe and the correct distance from other cars. My Z is like my girlfriend (I don't have one, I am happily married.). It wants to go fast, take chances, and is totally stylish inside and out.

    It all comes down to personal choice. One car is not "better" than the other. Each has good points and flaws. I decided that I want to spend a few years in a cool sports car.

    Who knows? I may be back in a plug-in Prius in two or three years. Until then, thanks for the great help Bob Wilson. Thank you to all the wonderful, friendly members here. I will stop by and see how badly I get flamed. :)

    Bob
     
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  2. samsprius1

    samsprius1 HEV Fanatic

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    Sounds like fun!!
    Would be nice to have both??:thumb:
    Let the good times roll!!
     
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    Hi- best wishes on your new car. I hope you enjoy it. It's a free country and everyone doesn't need to have a Prius. I enjoy driving my Prius- but that's just me. I do feel good about the low emissions and using less gas. Happy driving! :)
     
  4. xs650

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    Nylion, Thanks for the exit interview. I'm in a similar situation except I kept my Corvette, the anti-driverscarness of the Prius is much more palatable when I have an alternative. I hope to keep the Prius at least 2 or 3 years since I am able to satisfy my drivers car urge at will.

    I appreciate someone outlining the good points of a Prius without sounding like an Apple Fanboi and discussing it's weaknesses without sounding like a troglodyte.:rockon:

    Based on what my friends with 370Zs tell me, you will love it. I'm going to be doing a track Day at Thunderhill Raceway in two days (in my Corvette, not the Prius:D) and at least one friend with a 370Z will be there too.
     
  5. SlowTurd

    SlowTurd I LIKE PRIUS'S

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    you should come back to this thread in a couple of months and let us know if you are satisfied with the z
     
  6. JimboPalmer

    JimboPalmer Tsar of all the Rushers

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    You may be moving on, but we are not throwing you out. Let us know how it goes.
     
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    Good, factual report. Thanks for sharing.
     
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    Good luck with the Z. I went from a manual Maxima to the Prius and suffered a near 50% loss of power. I've been happy with the decision, though.

    However, with my other vehicle a minivan the first time I had fun driving since getting the Prius was last week when I rented a 2010 Camaro. 300 horsepower and that thing is fun. I enjoyed every minute of driving it. It sounded great, passed like a beast. The V8 would be superb. Still, I am not disappointed with the Prius. I may get a fast car again in the future but it may possibly be more of a weekend thing (like a Miata, so that the neighbors can REALLY mock me, then).
     
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    I, too, kept my fun car. I still enjoy driving my V probably because I don't obsess with the mileage figuring whatever happens it is probably 3 or 4 times better than before.

    I have to keep a battery tender on my T-bird because I still enjoy driving my Prius so much but once in a while nothing beats a top down cruise.
     
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    If your neighbors aren't mocking you, you aren't living enough.
     
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    I actually like this phrase and to a small degree live by it. They know I do some of my running in vibramfivefingers.com ;)
     
  12. priuscritter

    priuscritter I am the Stig.

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    good luck with the Z. I've owned two nissans and i loved the Titan while i merely liked the altima. the altima was a good car, just not what i wanted at the time. I can certainly respect your decision.

    one thing i don't understand is the line about wanting your wife to drive separately. this sounds more like a wife problem than a car problem. Did you just want to have the tacoma at the destination, or were you such a crab while driving the prius that you didn't want her to see the dark side? haha....just curious what that was all about.
     
  13. nylion

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    I meant that I wanted my wife to do the driving (with me in the car), not that we would take separate cars.

    I will come back. I really enjoy this forum. I appreciate all the good wishes.

    Thanks,
    Bob
     
  14. nwprius

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    Very well said! I like the others wish you well. I have owned many sports cars, and yes I do miss them, but at 83 I do not fold that well anymore to fit into a sports car. Fortunately the Prius seats sit high and are easy to get into even though, I agree, they could certainly be better ergonomically fitted.

    And, I really like driving the Prius with the finesse it deserves. In my career as a military pilot I always attempted the same finesse with my aircraft.
     
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    Good luck with the Z. Thanks for sharing. I'll be picking up my Prius tomorrow, and I found your comments interesting.
     
  16. Rae Vynn

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    Thank you for using and spelling "moot" correctly :thumb:

    If the Prius is just a car, then it doesn't matter what car you choose, as long as you are happy with your choice. Hope you are happy with your new choice. Be well.
     
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    Thanks for a well thought out and honest post. Good luck with your Z. I'm sure that car is a blast!!
     
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    Interesting comments. Since I remember the 240z, the 370Z is a much sharper car compared to what is out there...

    Since I'm a newbie (in Prius land) I really can only wish you the best...
     
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    I also share the same view as you. I have swaped my Prius for a Lexus GS450H and like you said it is now fun to drive for me. Since I owned the car I had many races off the line unlike before I tend to be the last and I was constantly slowest on the road.

    I totally agree with the Cabin technology it is outdated but what really got me to swap was the fact that I didn't feel I was getting value for money. I feel the car was way too cheaply made for the price. If they could just put proper trims and well made everything like the Prius 2 then I would have kept my Prius.
     
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    Enjoy your new ride.

    Over the years, I've been fortunate enough to drive some amazing sports cars and sports sedans (Porshes, BMWs, Mercedes AMG, Fiat 124 Spider, etc.), and the Prius is a different bird--for sure.

    There are days I definitely miss the connected, dynamic driving experience of one of my Carreras, for example, but in the last few years I wasn't fully utilizing the capabilities of those cars as my driving priorities evolved.

    Good luck.