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179,975 Miles & Warning Lights Today?

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  1. jeg

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    Good Evening To All The Prius Experts In This Forum!!

    My 2005 Prius has 179,975 miles and has been absolutely trouble free (aside from basic maintenance items). Today on the way home from work, the master warning light came on (dash), along with a warning light in the top left corner of my Nav screen. While everything continues to run and operate as normal, these appear to be quite alarming. When looking at the owner's manual, it suggests taking the car immediately to the Toyota Dealership.

    I have attached two photos. One of the dash (warning lights) and one of the Nav screen (warning light in the top left corner).


    Any and all thoughts and or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Please do not hesitate to ask any questions that you wish.

    Many thanks!

    John
     

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    Hi John,

    Well, the hybrid vehicle warning icon appeared in the MFD, along with the check engine light. If you don't notice any driveability issues, it's hard to say what the problem is. When your dealer tech retrieves the DTC please post them, if you would like further comment.
     
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    179,750 miles in 5 years.....WOW!
    How do you rack that much up?
    I think you have gotten our monies worth out of the car!!

    I hope to be so fortunate!!!
     
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    First guess would be the Inverter Coolant Pump. It is the subject of a TSB and has caused problems in 2004-2005 Prii. There is a redesigned unit available as a replacement. Check for turbulence in the Inverter coolant tank when the car is on. If none, its the pump.

    I replaced mine at 150,000 miles in my 2004 preemptively.

    JeffD
     
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  5. Patrick Wong

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    Hi Jeff,

    Yes, I also thought of the inverter coolant pump but did not suggest that since the OP did not report that the skid control ECU was having a fit (VSC, ABS, and BRAKE warning lights were not on). It certainly does not hurt to verify that the pump is running.
     
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    When my pump failed those warning lights didn't appear, so it's still a possibility. Drive it slowly to a dealer ASAP.
     
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    Thank you Patrick & jdenenberg

    After everyone's comments, I looked in my inverter coolant tank and while the ignition was on, I checked to see if there was any circulation or turbulence. There was none! Since there was none, I searched for other threads regarding the DIY replacement of the inverter coolant pump. Well, I should have known that our own Patrick Wong not only wrote one, but one that the rest of us novices can both use and follow! Job Well Done Patrick!

    After printing Patrick's thread "How to Replace the Inverter Coolant Pump" from July 12, 2009, I decided to give it a shot. After I called Patrick's recommended supplier (Champion Toyota in Houston), they told me that there were completely out. As a result, I went down to my local Toyota Dealer in San Juan Capistrano, CA. and paid $125 for the pump. The dealer wanted an additional $300 for the labor to install the pump. That was the motivation for the DIY project!

    After I got home, I began to follow Patrick's steps. A few hours later, I was done, the coolant tank was purged of air and I can see the circulation / turbulence. (I attached a couple of photos ~ old and new pump) The only thing that I can't fix are the warning lights on my dash. I guess I will need to take my Prius down to my friendly auto repair shop to check the error codes and make sure that it was just the pump that failed. (Is there a way that I can clear those out?)

    To all a very sincere Thank You for giving your time and experiences to others like me!

    Greatly Appreciated!!
     

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    I'm not the DIY type of person but I'm considering having this done preemptively as well. I have 120k on my '04. Anyone know what a fair price for labor and parts would be on this job?
     
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    Hi John,

    It's great to hear that you identified the problem and successfully replaced the pump.

    Here's the info to clear the skid control ECU DTC:

    1. Find the OBD-II connector under the dashboard, near the steering column.
    2. Note that one side of it is wider than the other. Envision the wide side on the bottom. The pin numbering starts with 1 on the bottom right and moves to 8 on the bottom left. Then pin number 9 is on the top right and moves to 16 on the top left.
    3. With the car IG-OFF, connect pins 4 and 13 with a paper clip or other suitable jumper wire. Make the car READY.
    4. Look at the Brake Control, ABS, and VSC lights. They may be flashing two-digit codes, if so record which light is flashing and what the code is.
    5. To clear the codes, make the car IG-OFF, then make READY again with the jumper still in place. Press the brake pedal at least 8x within 5 seconds.

    New York - hmmm - I wouldn't be surprised if you were quoted $400.
     
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    Glad to hear that your Prius is all fixed up.
    Good thing it wasn't anything major!
     
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    Patrick, thank you for the info on how to reset the warning lights. Question though.... If I reset them and presuming that the faulty inverter pump was not the only malfunction / error that triggered the original set of warning lights, am I correct in also presuming that they will they come on again if there was something else contributing to the problem at the same time?
     
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    I had the same lights go on yesterday, with the addition of the VSC light and antilock break light. The AC also stopped working. When I shut the car down and turned it back on again, only the check engine light and red triangle stayed on. The car is at the dealer and they will work on it on Monday. I have included pictures of what the dash looked like before I turned it off. My car has about 72,000 miles on it and is a 2004 model.

    http://mrkash.com/images/prius1.jpg

    http://mrkash.com/images/prius2.jpg
     
  13. Patrick Wong

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    Hi John,

    I suggest that you first disconnect the negative 12V battery cable where it connects to the body for 5 minutes. Then reconnect and see if you still have warning lights on. Since you don't have any skid control warning lights on (ABS, VSC, or Brake Control), this simpler procedure may be sufficient to get rid of the master warning triangle and the hybrid vehicle icon in the MFD.

    If that doesn't work, then try the OBD-II jumper procedure that I identified in my post #9.

    Yes, if your car has some other problem that remains, then don't worry, the DTC will eventually be logged and warning lights will come on. At that point you can take your car to the dealer, to have the DTC read.

    Hi Jeff,

    The inverter coolant pump is the likely failed part on your car.
     
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    I read up on the inverter cooler pump and is sure does sound like that is what went out.
    http://priuschat.com/forums/gen-ii-prius-care-maintenance-troubleshooting/36513-inverter-coolant-pump-takes-dive-12.html

     
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    Patrick ~ Thank you again
    I followed your instructions regarding the OBD-ll jumper. After doing so, I was able to see the Diagnosis Check screen (photo attached ~ no apparent errors). However, was not able to clear the warning lights on the dash and Nav screen. Then, I noticed that you suggested to disconnect the battery negative from the car body for about 5 minutes. I did that and it worked! Wow Patrick.... you da man! :D

    Many thanks again!!!
     

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    The folks at PriusChat were right again. My problem was indeed the inverter coolant pump. It is being fixed now. The service manager told me the AC going out was unrelated, but I am having a hard time buying that one. He said they had never serviced the AC and it was low on freon.
     
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    Hello from South OC :rockon:

    Same thing happened to my 04, both pumps went out on me. One around 110 and the other around 120,000. Glad you got it fixed
     
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    Hi Patrick... It seems that I need your help!

    After two hours of driving today, I headed up a very steep hill (hey, I have no idea what might have caused it!) and I got all the crazy lights
    Brake (!) VSC ABS

    I immediately found this thread... checked my coolant pump (I can hear it, and I can see the tank being stirred). Next I did the jumper trick and read the codes:
    45 VSC
    42 ABS
    49 (!) (wasn't aware that this one even gave a code!)

    I'm not at home, so have no clue what any of those mean, or what the problem might be... but the deal is - after trying to clear the codes (when do I start pumping the brakes, anyway?) nothing has changed. Codes are still there. Everything seems to be working fine. As I'm away from home this does have me a bit concerned, however.

    Thanks for all your help!
     
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    Hi Darell,

    The first two blink codes aren't documented in the repair manual.

    49 (!): Have someone depress your brake pedal and see if the brake lights work. (If necessary, backup to a reflective surface like a storefront glass window so you can see the rear of the car through your rearview mirror.)

    To clear the codes, you are supposed to connect terminals 4 and 13 of the DLC3 connector with a jumper wire, make the Prius READY, then depress the brake pedal at least 8x within a 5-second period. Then remove the jumper wire.

    If the warning lights remain, then it would be a good idea for the vehicle to be checked out by the nearest Toyota dealer. Good luck.
     
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    Patrick - thanks for the quick response. I tried the code-clearing, but didn't remove the jumper until after shutting off..... My steps:
    Ig-off
    jumper pins 4 and 13
    Ig-on
    press brake pedal 8x in five seconds (does it matter when I start?)
    Ig-off. Remove jumper.

    Next ig-on, the lights are all on still. Maybe I should remove the jumper while still ig-on after the brake presses?

    The brakes lights work fine. In fact everything seems to be working just fine, which is why I'd like to clear the lights and see if they come back. I'll take it to the dealer when I'm near one!

    If not the inverter coolant pump... and not the brake lights - I don't suppose we have any clue what else these lights could mean?