How many Prius owners believe in Global Warming theory?

You probably won't hear much more as I am sure his account is being lock as we type.

 

Well I can punch a few holes in your research.
Australian Aborigines have lived in Australia for over 40,000 years and they migrated from Asia. Humans have been here 10,000 years according to you. FAIL!

Oh the ice ages, no species died off in the ice ages so no harm was done. FAIL!

Hey everyone, I'm selling my Prius so I can finally stop wasting millions and millions of dollars every year and become a billionaire!!

 

When did Prius go into production and what on earth did they use all that nickel for back in 1970? Stainless steel and chrome? Who would have thunk it!

 

Wow ... let's keep talking about the dust bowl and call me names.

Newsflash, we've depleted no resources to exhaustion, and we're not going to.

Deal with it.

Y'all know oh so much, too bad so much of it just isn't true.

You've taken on the affectation of responsible environmental consciousness and stewardship, and that is all.

You've got blind faith and nothing to support it.

It's a religion, and I'll give you the same courtesy as the loons that knock on my door to peddle salvation.

Thanks, but no thanks.

Empty suited drivel peddlers castigating anything and anyone they neither understand nor agree with ...

good luck with your pet cause, inquisitors.


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No, I do not have a reading comprehension problem, and I'll be courteous enough not to ask the same of you.

The question was to name natural resources depleted to exhaustion ...

and we've run out of neither wood nor fish, nor are we going to.

Lobsters were considered garbage not long ago, fit for paupers at best, and now a delicacy.

Overfishing may be an issue, but it is not one that isn't being addressed, and we're hardly out of fish or near out of fish.

Have hatcheries been destroyed, are there shortages of certain overfished species in some localities ... no doubt, as we've both heard reports, but we're hardly out of fish.

And my question, after being accused of being blind and ignorant, and now a troll, was not can you name some rare and exotic scarce hardwoods ...

but rather what natural resources have been depleted to exhaustion,

and had we succeeded in identifying any, we could have moved on to addressing the consequences of such depletion-to-exhaustion, and then potential solutions and alternatives ...

but instead everyone wants to throw a hissy fit and name-call.

It's embarrassing, really.


Oh, I forgot to mention the dust bowl, so ... dust bowl.

Everyone happy?

 

I'm satisfied enough to see that that passing paragraph about having a sane discussion was completely superfluous, and that you are staying obstinant. There are plenty of examples of exhausted resources, besides the dust bowl, but there's no point bringing those up if there's no space with arguement with you. Yep, my mind is made up too.

 

Fresh water is one. Certainly not worldwide ever, but in critical localities, quite often.

 

Right, every response to my plea for sane discussion was met with name calling,

and no, you've not named a resource to depleted to exhaustion,

regardless of how anyone attempts to game the question.

We have top soil, fish, fresh water and wood, and plenty of it.

If you want to devolve to petty, then you spelled "argument" wrong.

 

Yep, still following the same pattern....right, dodge any discussion and make it petty. Obstinant. Another historical case of resource exhaustion would be the Irish potato famine: but I already know your answer "we're not out of potatos now"

extinct plants (used for wood and medicinal resources):
trees:
Africa

• Acalypha rubrinervis (1870, Saint Helena)
• Usambara Annone – Anonidium usambarense (1910, Tanzania)
• Byttneria ivorensis (1896, Côte d'Ivoire)
• Coffea lemblinii (1907, Côte d'Ivoire)
• Dryopteris ascensionis (1889, Ascension Island)
• Erythrina schliebenii (1938, Tanzania)
• Saint Helena Heliotrope – Heliotropium pannifolium (1808, Saint Helena)
• Saint Helena Olive – Nesiota elliptica (2003, Saint Helena)
• Oldenlandia vaginaholeionis (1889, Ascension Island)
• Orchidea Eupolyanthis (1910, Cameroon)
• Pausinystalia brachythyrsum (1898, Cameroon)
• Silphium — Ferula ? (c. 50, Cyrene)
• Sporobolus durus (1886, Ascension Island)
• Saint Helena Ebony – Trochetiopsis melanoxylon (1771, Saint Helena)

Americas

• Galapagos Amaranth – Blutaparon rigidum (1999, Galápagos)
• Rio de Janeiro Myrtle – Campomanesia lundiana (1825, Brazil)
• Casearia quinduensis (1997, Colombia)
• Rio de Janeiro Sapota – Chrysophyllum januariense (1997, Brazil)
• Havana Fragrant Tree – Cnidoscolus fragrans (1840, Cuba)
• Santa Cruz Bryophyte – Flabellidium spinosum (1911, Bolivia)
• Cuban Ruta Tree – Galipea ossana (1825, Cuba)
• Rio de Janeiro Myrtle – Gomidesia cambessedeana (1825, Brazil)
• Cuban Guettarda Tree – Guettarda retusa (1975, Cuba)
• Cuban Holly – Ilex ternatiflora (1950, Cuba)
• Licania caldasiana (1997, Colombia)
• Mason River Myrtle – Myrcia skeldingii (1972, Jamaica)
• Hastings County Neomacounia – Neomacounia nitida (1864, Canada)
• Extinct spruce - Picea critchfieldi (Late Pleistocene, North America)
• Rio de Janeiro Pouteria – Pouteria stenophylla (1997, Brazil)
• Cajamarca Pradosia – Pradosia argentea (1820, Peru)
• Rio de Janeiro Pradosia – Pradosia glaziovii (1997, Brazil)
• Colombian Pradosia – Pradosia mutisii (1925, Colombia)
• Jamaican Psidium – Psidium dumetorum (1976, Jamaica)
• Juan Fernandez Santalum – Santalum fernandezianum (1908, Chile)
• Thismia americana – Thismia americana (1916, Chicago, IL, USA)

Asia

• Adiantum lianxianense (Guangdong, China)
• Sri Lanka Legume Tree – Crudia zeylanica (1990, Sri Lanka)
• Kerala Legume Tree – Cynometra beddomei (1870, India)
• Sumatra Dipterocarpus – Dipterocarpus cinereus (1996, Sumatera, Indonesia)
• Arunchal Hopea Tree – Hopea shingkeng (1996, India)
• Nilgiri Holly – Ilex gardneriana (1859, India)
• Karnataka Sapota – Madhuca insignis (1900, India)
• Hainan Ormosia – Ormosia howii (1997, Southern China)
• Hainan Otophora – Otophora unilocularis (1935, Hainan, China)
• Pluchea glutinosa (19th Century, Yemen)
• Psiadia schweinfurthii (19th Century, Yemen)
• Sarawak Shorea – Shorea cuspidata (1996, Malaysia)
• Meghalaya Sterculia – Sterculia khasiana (1877, India)
• Muthukuzki Syzygium – Syzygium gambleanum (1997, India)
• Valerianella affinis (19th century, Yemen)
• Courtallum Wendlandia – Wendlandia angustifolia (1997, India)
• Woolly-stalked Begonia - Begonia eiromischa (20th century, Penang, Malaysia)

Europe

• Astragalus nitidiflorus (1909, Spain)
• Italian Bryophyte – Radula visiniaca (1938, Italy)
• Cry Pansy – Viola cryana (1933, France)

Oceania

See also: List of extinct flora of Australia

• Hawaii Chaff Flower – Achyranthes atollensis (1964, Hawaiian Is.)
• Argyroxiphium virescens (1996, Hawaiian Is.)
• Casearia tinifolia (1976, Mauritius)
• Clermontia multiflora (1871, Hawaiian Is.)
• New Calodonia Sapinda – Cupaniopsis crassivalvis (1869, New Caledonia)
• Haleakala Cyanea Tree – Cyanea arborea (1928, Hawaiian Is.)
• Cyanea comata (late 1800s, Hawaiian Is.)
• Cyanea cylindrocalyx (1909, Hawaiian Is.)
• Cyanea dolichopoda (1990, Hawaiian Is.)
• Giffard's Cyanea Tree – Cyanea giffardii (1917, Hawaiian Is.)
• Mark's Cyanea Tree – Cyanea marksii (1900, Hawaiian Is.)
• Pohaku Cyanea Tree – Cyanea pohaku (1910, Hawaiian Is.)
• Kohala Cyanea Tree – Cyanea pycnocarpa (1997, Hawaiian Is.)
• Oak-leaved Cyanea Tree – Cyanea quercifolia (1997, Hawaiian Is.)
• Dracaena umbraculifera (Mauritius)
• Taravai Aster Tree – Fitchia mangarevensis (1997, Taravai, French Polynesia)
• Moorea Laurel – Hernandia drakeana (1997, French Polynesia)
• Kawaihae Hibiscadelphus – Hibiscadelphus bombycinus (1868, Hawaiian Is.)
• Puhielelu Hibiscadelphus – Hibiscadelphus crucibracteatus (1981, Hawaiian Is.)
• Auwahi Hibiscadelphus – Hibiscadelphus wilderianus (1910, Hawaiian Is.)
• Oahu Kokia – Kokia lanceolata (1888, Hawaiian Is.)
• Cross-bearing Pelea – Melicope cruciata (1997, Hawaiian Is.)
• Maui Ruta Tree – Melicope haleakalae (1919, Hawaiian Is.)
• Obovate Melicope – Melicope obovata (1997, Hawaiian Is.)
• Lihue Ruta Tree – Melicope paniculata (1997, Hawaiian Is.)
• Nuku Hiva Neisosperma – Neisosperma brownii (1997, French Polynesia)
• Fatu Hiva Ochrosia – Ochrosia fatuhivensis (1997, French Polynesia)
• Nuku Hiva Ochrosia – Ochrosia nukuhivensis (1997, French Polynesia)
• Tahiti Ochrosia – Ochrosia tahitensis (1997, French Polynesia)
• Hawaii Ruta Tree – Pelea obovata (1997, Hawaiian Is.)
• Koé Stenocarpus – Stenocarpus dumbeensis (1905, New Caledonia)
• Norfolk Island Streblorrhiza – Streblorrhiza speciosa (1997, Norfolk Island)
• Fijian Weinmannia – Weinmannia spiraeoides (1840, Fiji)
• Skottsberg's Wikstroemia – Wikstroemia skottsbergiana (1997, Hawaiian Is.)
• Hakeakala Wikstroemia – Wikstoemia villosa (1997, Hawaiian Is.)
• Prony Bay Xanthostemon – Xanthostemon sebertii (1869, New Caledonia)

Plants:
Africa

• St. Helena Roundleaf Gumwood – (Commidendrum rotundifolium) (Saint Helena)
• Encephalartos brevifoliolatus (South Africa)
• Encephalartos nubimontanus (South Africa)
• Encephalartos relictus (Swaziland)
• Encephalartos woodii (South Africa)
• St. Helena Redwood – (Trochetiopsis erythroxylon) (Saint Helena)

Americas

• Cosmos atrosanguineus (Mexico)
• Csapodya splendens (syn. Deppea splendens) (Mexico)
• Root-spine Palm – (Cryosophila williamsii) (Honduras)
• Cuban Erythroxylum – (Erythroxylum echinodendron) (Cuba)
• Franklin Tree – (Franklinia alatamaha) (Georgia, U.S.)
• Laelia gouldiana (Mexico)
• Biznaguita – (Mammillaria glochidiata) (Mexico)
• Biznaguita – (Mammillaria guillauminiana) (Mexico)
• Rio de Janeiro Terminalia – (Terminalia acuminata) (Brazil)

Asia

• India Monocarpic Palm – (Corypha taliera) - (Bengal)
• Pallasana Spurge – (Euphorbia mayurnathanii) (India)
• Yunnan Malva – (Firmiana major) (Yunnan, China)
• Kalimantan Mango – (Mangifera casturi) (Kalimantan, Indonesia)
• Sarawak Mango – (Mangifera rubropetala) (Kalimantan & Sumatra)
• Kanehira Azalea – (Rhododendron kanehirai) (Taiwan)
• Tulipa sprengeri (Turkey)

Europe

• Szaferi Birch – (Betula szaferi) (Poland)
• Lysimachia minoricensis (Spain)
• Lotus berthelotii (Canary Islands)

Oceania

• Pele Clermontia – (Clermontia peleana) (Hawaiian Is.)
• Cyanea pinnatifida (Hawaiian Is.)
• Royal Cyanea Tree – (Cyanea superba) (Hawaiian Is.)
• Punaluu Cyanea – (Cyanea truncata) (Hawaiian Is.)
• Fuzzyflower Cyrtandra – (Cyrtandra waiolani) (Hawaiian Is.)
• Hemiandra rutilans (Australia)
• Cooke's Kokia – (Kokia cookei) (Hawaiian Is)
• Toromiro – (Sophora toromiro) (Easter Island, Chile)

Extinct plant cultivars

• Ansault - pear cultivar
• Semper Augustus - a tulip from the days of tulip mania
• Taliaferro - apple cultivar
• Viceroy - tulip traded during tulip mania

Fish:
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Alvord cutthroat trout
Amistad gambusia
Ash Meadows killifish
Banff longnose dace
Bezoule
Blackfin cisco
Blue walleye
Clear Lake splittail
Coregonus fera
Tecopa pupfish
Potosi pupfish
Villa Lopez Pupfish
Perrito de Parras
Perrito de Sandia
Cyprinus yilongensis
Galapagos damsel
Grass Valley speckled dace
Gravenche
Haplochromis gowersii
Independence Valley tui chub
Lake Ontario kiyi
Thicktail chub
Titicaca Orestias
Yellowfin cutthroat trout

 

Yeah, you're right, we're not out of potatoes and the Pluchea Glutinosa depletion in Yemen has me all spun out.

I continue to be amazed by the progression mindset, if I won't modify my question to suit your agenda, you go all ad hominem.

Think I'll go have some french fries now.

 

Why should it amaze you?? Your agenda is quite clear.

 

Really Dave, really?

I don't have a problem with you, nor do I have an agenda ...

but I'm amazed at the misdirection of the responses, from name calling to demanding I acknowledge the Dust Bowl and now the Irish Potato Famine.

We're not out of top soil, and we're not out of potatoes.

Those are facts Dave.

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Yes, really. The examples of completely depleted resources are totally extinct subspecies of resources. Sure, "man" has found substitutes. Other examples of exhausted resources that have completely disseminated people living in the environment are shrugged off by you. I would think these types of facts would be a good middle ground for discussion, but you refuse to engage in that. Instead you distill generalities about how we're not out of general resources, and then are somehow surprised that people are engaging into name calling.

You should face facts that humans are very predictable as far as responses. Especially when it comes down to "generalities" between progressives and conservatives. In the end, their responses are all the same.

 

Got it, I'm responsible for other members name-calling. Nice.

Further, I don't refuse to engage in middle ground discussion. Happy to do it, feel free to begin.

As for generalities ... no, I've been specific. We have top soil, potatoes, fish, wood, flowers, fresh water.

Seems like a fair launching ground to discuss the reasons and consequences of the paucity of these very same resources in specific localities ... why it happened, and what to do about it.

No?

 

Yes, being obstinant and refusing to talk about isolated events in exhausted resources, like the dust bowl or the potato famine, will most likely lead to name calling. What did you think would happen?

I've already tried that....but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and will try one more time:

I would say that still is a generality: "we" is not refering to all the population of the globe, but of wealthy nations like the US. It's refering to the areas that either have all those resources or are wealthy enough to import them. What about the estimated 884 million people throughout the world that don't have potable water, for instance? Something tells me your answer is still going to be, "but we have water"......

 

The only silence I'm noticing is your lack of response to my question. We HAVE depeleted some resources. And some folks have listed a few. But apparently they don't meet your as yet unknown qualifications as a resources... you have not defined what you call a resource (or depletion for that matter).

So we lose a tree species. That isn't a depletion of resources because we still have wood. So if we manage to use up all the Lithium in the world, would you say that we haven't depleted it because we still have other elements?

We need to know what "resources" are. We need to know what "depletion" is. Otherwise, there's only arguing in circles.

Would love to! But I don't yet know the rules after asking twice now. Well, three times now.

 

We can never hit a target that keeps moving. You've not defined resource nor depletion. So... uh... who's winning?

Not trying to be petting. Just trying to figure out who's got the rule sheet for the game we're playing.

 

Pssst, you can never win with a troll. Don't bother.

 

I submit that we're not playing a game with philobeddoe...nore does he want to actuall engage in true debate....instead, I see this:

 

I thought "Global Warming" was? That's why I'm a bit confused by the almost 12 year global cooling trend. Am I wrong?