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2006 failed AC / hybrid battery failure-same time!

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by kc5swi, Apr 6, 2011.

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    We know my 2006 Prius AC compressor is powered off an AC invertor that draws power from the DC hybrid battery. My prius has 88k miles with no prior issues. I went to turn the AC on one day and the compressor made a terrible clanking sound. The sound reminded me of a failing old school ac compressor clutch. Was having zero cooling issues prior to this.

    Off to the dealer. They checked out and said the compressor and condenser needed replacing. No, nothing leaking, condenser needed to changed because they cant "clean it". $2200 plus tax for the ac compressor replacement. I declined the service. I picked up the car, it would hardly run over 25 mph (even with the AC off). Back to the dealer(same day), and now they say the hybrid battery has a bad cell and needs replacing. Warrenty replaced the battery, ac still broke.

    Since the AC runs of juice from the inverter, which is fed by the hybrid battery. I beleive the failed battery caused the compressor electric motor to be damaged, as the lower than normal voltage due to the bad cell cause insuficient voltage from the inverter. Has anyone else had this experiance?
    Toyoto sais too bad, so far. Anyone else had a failed hybrid battery and compressor failure?:mad:What are the odds of hybrid battery and ac compresser failing at the same time? Hybrid failure rates at .003%? I dont think so!
     
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    seilerts Battery Curmudgeon

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    I'm sorry, I don't think it is possible for a bad traction battery to cause the A/C motor to fail. If you have a bad cell in the battery, that is only 1 cell out of 168. You still have 99.4% of the available potential. The inverter further isolates the A/C from the traction battery. I think it is more likely that something happened inside the service department that would have caused the hv battery failure, though I can't figure out how they would have done that.

    Did the dealer perform the inverter cooling pump recall? If the car detects a problem with the pump, then you have no A/C, the hybrid battery is barely used for forward propulsion, and the 12V battery is drained rapidly, which may cause the original trouble codes to be erased.
     
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    Hmm pretty weird. It does sound like some sort of dealer service dept misadventure doesn't it?
     
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    I don't see a direct connection with the failures, although the timing casts a suspicious light on the dealer. It could be coincidence, but if not, most likely the AC died and the dealer did something stupid testing it. Since they replaced the battery it's not an issue, although you are still faced with a dead AC.

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    The dealer did do the recall on the water pump at the same time he diagnosed the AC and Hybrid battery issue.

    I was thinking that trying to start an electric moter (ac) with low voltage could likely burn it up, like when a 220 moter loses a leg and tries to start with only 110 volts.

    The battery may have had more than one cell bad....it would only go like 25-35 mph. As the hybrid battery feeds the inverter to get the required 3 phase 206 v AC to start/run the ac compressor, wouldnt you think if the input voltage into the inverter was low due to a defective battery, resulting in the inverter creating too low a voltage to propery engage the ac compressor, destroying the electronics in it? I dont think there are any issues with the pumping portion of my compressor.

    Is anyone else replacing thier AC condenser when replacing thier compressor (when its not leaking)??
     
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    When there is a problem with the high voltage system, the system main relays pop open. The system main relays are in between the HV battery and the inverter, and are responsible for the clicking that you hear when the car is first turned on. If the main relays are open, every warning light on the dash will be on, and the car will move forward barely, as the engine turns one motor generator (MG) to provide current for the other MG to turn the wheels. And reverse doesn't work.

    If the dealer happened to put trouble codes on your invoice, it would be helpful to post those here.
     
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    I am hearing from Toyota service guys that when a traction battery goes bad it is not unusual for it to result in damage to the AC compressor and sometimes the transmission. It is apparent that my traction battery failed (replaced by toyota) and at that exact same moment I received damage to the electronics of the AC compressor. Both happened at the same time, in fact, it was initially taken in to check out the ac. Toyota customer service says I cant prove the defective battery trashed the compressor, even though they know it runs off the traction battery and the odds of simultaneous failure is near zero. Look at the volume of service issues with these cars! Water pumps, batteries, AC's, transmissions! What a mistake it was to buy one from a company who released them before making them reliable.
     
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    I've never heard the above claim before but I'll let others chime in. This adventure is raising red flags about your dealer though.

    As for your last statement, from Consumer Reports reliability data, the 06 Prius has much better than average reliability and not a single area out of the 17 w/below average reliability. It also made the list of "best of the best" at Best & worst used cars and "best used vehicles for under $20K" at Best & worst used cars.

    Also, FWIW, even though I don't trust JD Powers that much and don't think their VDS is long term enough (only looks at 3 year old cars), notice that in the 09 (looked at 06 cars) and 2011 (looked 08 cars), the Prius got highest ranked in its segment? See http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/news/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2009043 and http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/JDPAContent/CorpComm/News/content/Releases/pdf/2011029-vdss.pdf.
     
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    Yours is the only case that I have ever heard of. A google search turns up this thread and little else. What "Toyota service guys" are you hearing this from? It frankly sounds like B.S. from a service adviser, to make it sound like this happens all the time so that you don't feel like you are getting screwed. Service advisers almost never know the first thing about a Prius, but they are experts at scare tactics.

    Did you ever find out what all of the diagnostic codes were regarding the battery and possibly the A/C system?

    Compressor problems do happen, and I do feel for you on that. No way could I survive a DFW summer without A/C.
     
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    You mean some dealer's service guys. They're not Toyota unless you've been dealing directly with Toyota USA.

    Time to take it to another dealer for another diagnosis. T of Plano has a decent service department.