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Anyone have dealer switch pink (SLLC) for the red (LLC)?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by micheal, Mar 30, 2011.

  1. micheal

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    Been awhile since I've read or posted, but had an experience that I wanted to get people's thoughts on.

    To make a long story short, got the water pump code and took the 2004 Prius in for the recall and to go ahead and change the engine coolant at the same time (just a few hundred shy of the 100K mark). I noticed some weirdness on the invoice and found out that the dealership (Midwest Toyota, Hutchinson, KS), did the recall, but put in the red, Long Life Coolant in both the inverter and engine. The kicker is that they put on the invoice they had put in the Super Long Life Coolant in the inverter or else "Toyota wouldn't pay for the recall work."

    Come to find out, they also didn't just put in new red coolant, they replaced the pink coolant with "recycled" red coolant. I got in touch with Toyota corporate and verified the dealer should have stayed with the pink, yet the dealership service people contain to say that they didn't do anything wrong. I had two questions for the group.

    Has anyone had these type of issues (red vs. pink & recycled vs new) when getting the coolants replaced? For now, I have no plans on going back to this dealer, asked for my money back, and filed a compliant with Toyota. Is this overkill or should I be concerned about having the red coolant in there for a month or so?
     
  2. Patrick Wong

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    Toyota SLLC costs 2x as much (since it is already premixed with distilled water) and has a longer service life than Toyota LLC (50K miles after the factory fill is replaced, vs. 30K miles.) It is unethical for that dealer to substitute the lesser coolant, even more so to use recycled coolant. That definitely does not meet normal auto maintenance standards unless you are in a really poor Third World country.

    That is really a poke in your eye with a sharp stick, and you are justified in demanding that the proper SLLC coolant be installed in your car.
     
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    Is it easy to tell the difference between the pink and the red from the appearance of the coolant?
     
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    Yes. You can look at your car's coolant reservoirs to see what the pink coolant looks like; while the red coolant has a very dark red color.

    Or look at an older Toyota equipped with the LLC coolant (such as 2001 Prius) to see what it looks like.
     
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    Thanks! Just to be sure, the red version even after dilution stays darker red compared to the pink, right?
     
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    Thanks for all the feedback (not just this quote). To me the inverter coolant clearly looks red in comparison to what it looked like before, but harder to tell on the engine coolant. I'm glad you mentioned the money aspect, that has been my suspicion all along, that they are using to make money off the recycled coolant and the increased service intervals required for the LLC.

    I did get a call yesterday from the service manager, but he fed me the same line as the other service guys when I picked it up. Things like "we always use the red; we've never had a customer come back with a problem because of it" and "that is what Toyota tells us to do." When I mentioned that I was more than a little concerned about my invoice saying they put in SLLC for the recall work, but they didn't, he said, "We have to put that so Toyota will pay us for the work." To which I replied, "That to me suggests it is important to put in the SLLC and doing what you did borders on fraud to me." He also threw in that most shops were using recycled coolant "because it's good for the environment."

    After this conversation, he offered to change it for no cost, but I asked for a refund. He wanted to call and check on some things and get back with me today. No word today, so I am going to call Toyota corporate tomorrow to see about my options.
     
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    Yes coolant recycling is good for the environment. But Prius is a special case, with two colant loops and with the second cooling high-power semiconductors and electric motors.

    Let conventional ICE vehicles receive recycled coolant (with the appropriate addive chemistry mix), and let hybrid vehicles receive new. Every 50k miles is not very burdensome.

    based on your report, Midwest Toyota, Hutchinson, KS is no friend of PriusChat.
     
  10. micheal

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    I certainly do agree with the idea of recycle coolant and I'm with you too on not getting the recycled for the Prius.

    Midwest Toyota certainly won't be getting any more of my money in the future. After talking with Toyota corporate, the only way to get the inverter coolant changed back to pink without additional cost is to take it back to the dealer that did the service. After some deliberation I decided to go ahead and take it back for them to switch it back and put the right coolant in.

    My hope is now that they know I'm not going to accept any BS story, they will be hesitant to do anything fishy (I'm considering taking the camcorder to record the conversations with the service people, but don't want to go overboard with my paranoia).
     
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    As recently as 1 year ago, my local Toyota Dealer, Gateway Toyota in NJ, did not even carry the pink coolant. When I went to buy some SLLC for my Prius I was told that they only used the red. Needless to say I went somewhere else.
     
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    I was given the same story at the Toyota dealer in Milford CT. Needless to say, they do not get to work on my Prius.

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    Toyota SLLC has only been around since ~ 2002 or so...
     
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    I just had my coolant pump recall done yesterday and the invoice also stated LL coolant (70000km). I gather from this conversation that the coolant should be pink and not red, and that if it is red to get it replaced. Is this super long life coolant the recommended for all countries (I'm in Australia)?

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    The owner manual specifies fluids to use.