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Now I Gotta DROP IT !?!?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Accessories and Modifications' started by matt ackerman, Apr 29, 2011.

  1. matt ackerman

    matt ackerman Junior Member

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    Sheesh!

    I just got my 18" Bronze Drag DR33's on my BRM '11. Some 1st impressions:

    I really like them, but...

    18" still seems so surprisingly small (whole lotta 's' words going on in there!) in the wheel well-- esp. when compared to the supposedly 'to-scale' composite pics of our cars on Discount Tire's interactive web-site. What's worse than that though-- is that I had NO idea how much that over-a-grand upgrade was going to more or less now force another (equally pricey!!) suspension upgrade-- (dropping this bad boy!) mainly just so that my brand-new wheel investment doesn't end up looking just plain ...silly!

    Dropping my car isn't something I really wanted to do-- not in this here town with it's notoriously high sidewalk curbs, and steep upside-down speed-bumps (cross-street gutters). Both are potential hazards for any low-hanging plastic or metal. I absolutely shredded the front bumper of my '05 STI-- and more than once. What a drag.

    However, NOT dropping my car at this point, is gonna end up making my most recent (and not cheap) upgrade just look plain 'blah' at best.

    Dag-nabbit

    From what I've managed to read about this so far from various older posts-- that the $210 Eibach spring set would probably work (dropping the car .8" drop up front, and 1.2" in the rear. But also (hopefully)-- without requiring the replacement of my adjacent stock shock or strut systems.

    So, here are my questions:

    1.) Can I reasonably expect this to work with my stock shocks and struts, or are my struts going to start bottoming out, or just wearing out faster than they're supposed to?

    2.) Is likely to shorten the life of my brand-spankin-new car's suspension system somehow?

    3.) Could this type of mod void any part of my factory warranty?

    Thanks in advance for any similar experiences/recommendations!

    ...Pics later tonight.
     
  2. macmaster05

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    From one Matt to another Matt :)

    1. Yes, common aftermarket springs like Eibach, Tein, or Tanabe work fine with stock struts. I'm using H&R lowering springs with my stock struts - Have been for 10,000 miles and no issues bottoming-out or blown shocks. As long as you don't do hard driving and cornering, your shocks' life should not be any different.

    2. Generally, unless you're completely slammed, no. A moderate drop up to 1.5" won't shorten the life of your suspension as long as, again, you drive normally and not like a race car.

    3. Yes but the dealership will have to prove it was caused by the aftermarket springs. Keep your old springs so you can switch back in case anything ever does happen.
     
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  3. matt ackerman

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    Thanks Matt. I especially appreciated your tip on keeping the old springs. Although it seems for me to actually change them out is going to be a bit costly too. A local shop I've used in the past (and whose just given me a quote to paint my calipers), is wanting to charge me about ~$600 to do the install.

    Is that reasonable? Seems WAY more than I was expecting.

    My back's a bit too creaky to try this myself, else I would...
     
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    $600?? I was quoted $200. I ordered my Eibach pro kit through tirerack and picked an installer through them. Getting them next week!

    I'd find another shop--600 seems outrageously high.
     
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    that's what I thought. Thx!
     
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    $600 is 3x too much. Keep calling around and tell places you've got quotes for around $150-200. They'll bend their backs especially in this economy. This sort of thing is sooo negotiable.

    I paid $150 w/out negotiating - that was his price. Of course the guy had a dinky hole-in the-wall garage in a cheap part of town. But hey, that's the way to go IMO. You don't need a guy in a suit with a fancy degree to do this for you. A good average price will be ~$200. Think of it as 2-3 hours of labor. If they know what they're doing, really it shouldn't take them longer than 1.5 hours but a 2-3 hour window is standard I think.

    Also one more thing - now might also be a good time to add any strut or sway bars while your car is jacked up and your suspension is apart, if you ever considered it. Maybe they'll throw that in with the labor cost. That's one thing I regret forgetting to do, but who's to say he would've charged me the same price. Just an idea.
     
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    Yeah-- it's a body shop that mainly does a lot of insurance work. I don't think they're accustomed to pricing directly for a individual who's just trying to make the world a better place by adding lowering springs.

    Looks like I'm going to have to sniff around a little more on this one.
     
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    ]\ Got it backwards...

    ...it's 1.2" drop up front, .8" in the rear.
     
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    Yeah, that explains it. Check out guys who specialize in custom suspension. The guy I went to specialized in lifting trucks. I was pretty scared to show up with my Japanese hybrid but he was extremely nice and professional, and I was out in under 2 hours.
     
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    I do notice that upsizing to 18" or bigger tends to look odd or goofy without some lowering. If someone doesn't want to lower at all, they'd basically have to stick with factory 17" specs (depending on the style of the wheels).
     
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    Just an FYI...for those that want the Eibachs...I got them from autoeverything for $206 shipped to CA. I used a 15% off code that was floating around out there so that was the price including tax. Was going to go with tirerack but they wanted like $25-35 for shipping depending on which distribution center you picked. I got mine in 2 days because they came out of Ontario, CA.
     
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    Thanks for the heads up. Just ordered the Eibach springs from AutoAnything. Used coupon code AAOFFERS10 for 10% off + Free Ground Shipping. $200.66 total (before sales tax).
     
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    Alright!

    Hey, do you think the 17'' wheels will sit nice with the eibachs? I wanted 18''s but tirerack ended their closeout of the wheel I wanted. Now they only have the 17''s and I think this might actually be better because there are more lrr tires in that size...

    idk.

    but PLEASE post pics...I really would like to see.
     
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    17" is the optimal size for a good balance between practicality, ride quality and looks.
     
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    I'd say it really depends on the design of the wheels. I've seen some 18" that look no bigger than factory 17" because of the spoke design and/or color (especially black) that makes them look smaller compared to the wide spokes found on stock 17".
     
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    Enkei Performance T-Fork Machined w/Anthracite Accent

    for some reason I feel like these will look smaller than the factory...but they are the ones I want. Im just not sure if the eibachs will be a big enough drop to notice.
     
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    32k is correct, the design and color makes a big difference. The T-Forks will look large because the machined spokes comes all the way to the very edge of the wheel. Visually this will make it look larger than a wheel of the same size with spokes that don't go all they way to the edge. Some wheels have a thick lip which makes the wheel look smaller than it actually is, if that lip is black then the effect is even more pronounced.
     
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    Agreed on that aspect, but the 17" version still might look smaller compared to factory 17" because of its thinner spokes. Wide spokes tend to make a wheel look larger. So I'd spend the extra money for a set of 18" to be safe.
     
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    Still waiting for photos... let's see those wheels!
     
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    I have 225/40 R-18's with a +35 offset that came from my old 07 Matrix. I have put Eibachs on mine and have issues with rubbing in the front. Be aware that wheel offset may come into play. I love the way my wheels look on the car but the rubbing is bad in hard cornering and unexpected bumps in the road. And of course gets worse with people in the car. I will post pics of my car for comparison. I have some wheels with a +45 on the way and we are going to mount one first to see how the clearance is. I will post back with results once they are in. I may put the stock springs back on and go with swaybars and a STB if I cannot resolve this with offset change.
     

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