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Choose 2012 Prius Five or 2012 Elantra Limited?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Main Forum' started by WE0H, Jun 20, 2011.

  1. wick1ert

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    The Sonata is a nice car as well. Beyond the size of vehicle that I need, or foresee myself needing for quite a few years to come. I rented one last December in Phoenix, and it easily got 30 MPG on the highway. It was a 3hr drive from PHX to Lake Havasu where I was going to be and it was mostly all highway. I set cruise around 82mpg on I-10 and usually around 5 mph over the PSL otherwise. It had the same gas pedal sensitivity you mentioned in the Elantra. It took me the full 3 days to get used to it, then right when I was pulling into the rental return lot, I forgot and we surged a little bit.

    I keep telling people about the Elantra and Sonata that are looking for vehicles. It all depends upon their needs and price range.
     
  2. WE0H

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    Run some numbers if you can for 3k to 7k miles per year total miles driven. My driving would fall in that window for sure.

    Thanks much,
    Mike
     
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    You drive so little miles, Mike that just about any car would work. :p

    I drive over 25k/year so fuel costs really add up!
     
  4. WE0H

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    No doubt. I told the wife if we were to move to Kentucky, southern Ohio or southern Indiana that we could drive our summer cars more often. That's her work territory as well as your state :D The darn salted roads up here leave us little time to drive them. We had snow until the end of April this year and it takes a heck of a lot of hard rain to get rid of all the salt and sand piles on the roads. Most people just drive whatever and don't care about rust but we would never let our summer cars see salt, ever :p That reminds me of Jamie Hyneman of MythBusters, ever :pound:

    Mike
     
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    Properly equipped I suppose is a matter of personal opinion. There are only two trim levels on the Sonata Hybrid. The "base" model has proximity key, ipod interface and quite a few other goodies (Power seat, hello! :)).

    The next trim level up is $5000 more, so it is $31K and change assuming you can't get your dealer to discount. However, at that trim level it is pretty loaded, it has the panoramic two pane moonroof, 400 watt infinity stereo, XM, HD radio, 7" touchscreen, heated leather front AND rear seats and starting in the 2012s it will have the Blue Link system, which (if you pay the subscription) gives you push button access to information, directions, etc, as well as a smart phone app that can be used to remote start the car, turn on the car headlights remotely, etc.

    The Prius is really quite a lot more expensive for the same amount of gear and some things it does not have, such as a power seat.

    However, as you point out the Prius is the infinitely more practical car, getting far better MPG in mixed driving and offering more utility with the hatch configuration, plus it's easier to park, etc.

    The appeal of the Sonata for someone like me is that it is far more roomy and comfortable and drives more like a traditional sedan vs a compact. The 6 speed conventional transmission also helps as it is less busy at freeway speeds.

    I am going to wait to see if Prius will get Entune next year and also want to see how long it takes for Hyundai to switch production on Sonata Hybrid to 2012 model year, as the ICE version is already in 2012 production.

    They should have a handle on most of the initial issues for 2012, as apparently the CEL issue has been fixed (faulty vacuum sensor in some cars), roof trim issue resolved, headliner assembly issue resolved. Seems like a lot of problems, but really, no different than other 1st model year cars.
     
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    Don't confuse the eCVT's changing engine rpm as being "busy". It has no losses and is only operating the ICE at it's most efficient speed for the power demand. The HSH has already had some complaints about it's transmission and transitions that maybe they can fix with software. The HSH configuration is inherently more complex than the eCVT hybrids with clutches and the 6 speed automatic and separate starter/generator on the ICE. It may turn out to be a good car but from an engineering standpoint it is no where near as elegant as an eCVT hybrid. Hyundai's PR about the "conventional feel" of a shifting transmission is "Bull"!
     
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    Have you driven both? I have. I thought the transmission in the Hyundai was much quieter and smoothed out at highway speeds better than the CVT in the Prius. Additionally the transmission will hold onto a lower gear during rapid acceleration resulting in better passing power on inclines.

    This is just based on my own limited testing, consisting of test driving both cars for about an hour or so each.

    Honestly, this comparison is a bit moot anyways, since the logical competitor to the Sonata Hybrid is the Camry Hybrid.
     
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    Well I have a Ford Fusion Hybrid and after about 30-40 mph the ICE is at Red Line all the time at full throttle. It doesn't shift down and lose power. The acceleration from 30 to 100 is very good. You should compare the HSH to the FFH or TCH as they have similar power.
     
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    Sitting in Peoria Illinois now eating dinner. Getting 32 in town and 37 mpg on the Interstate. Running 71 mph on the Interstate. A/C is screamin cold, audio system is freakin awesome for a base system. No Nav in this one. Seats have way more side support than the Prii seats. Throttle is very touchy but I am getting smoother as I rack up the miles behind the wheel. Suspension is softer than the Prii. It needs springs. Swaybars seem decent. Rebound is a bit quick so better struts would help. Absolutely zero drifting in cross winds. Car is loaded with 13 days of cloths for three people and some antique glassware we bought today :) There is chassis flex felt but the Prii flexes too. Both cars would benefit from braces. More info later as I have to hit the road to Louisville Kentucky now ;)

    Mike
     
  10. WE0H

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    Arrived at the hotel in Louisville at 2am :eek: I clocked in ~18 hours from home to here with the usual stops. The mileage was about 700 miles today. I forgot to write it down before I came inside the hotel. Darn close to that. Anyhow, gas mileage is looking darn good for the Elantra loaded this heavy. The fuel computer is very accurate. First tank that I filled and ran down to nearly empty :p
    Calculated 38.8 mpg
    Computer showed 38.5 mpg
    430.8 miles with 11.1 gallons to fill it to the threads

    I was using the first tank which came with the car to use the car's computer to show me gas mileage in town driving. The car is a piece of cake to get 32 mpg driving normal in town. Stoplights, turns, hills, idling, the usual in town stuff.

    I did nothing other than normal driving on the Interstate. I had right foot to the floor on ramps, passing, idling at three rest areas while we did our duty :rolleyes: The cruise was set to 71 mph. Earlier I got a nice fancy sheet that said I was exceeding the posted speed limit on US-61 but it was only a warning by a Iowa Trooper :) I thanked him for being so kind. My wife was freaking out as she thought I was gonna get a ticket.

    OK some other neat stuff about the Elantra. The turn signals; push the lever momentarily and it will automatically give three flashes to the blinkers. No need to hold it while merging or changing lanes on the Interstate. Just tap it and it blinks three times :) Pretty cool, I have never seen this before.
    Seats are super comfortable. No sore behinder on this trip.
    I mentioned the audio system. Wow, good freq response from shakin base, superb midrange to killer highs. I am very impressed with the audio system. Not muddy at all. We played dance, rock, country, rap and some real oldies and it sounded damn nice. Music played from a USB stick is good too ;) USB and AUX input is standard as is XM Sat radio.
    Storage; man this car has pockets for nearly anything and placed so you can find them while driving. The rear storage is huge like a Prius has.
    Controls; everything is lighted a real pretty blue color and it looks freakin saweet at night :rockon:
    Acceleration is strong. The 6 speed tranny is incredibly smooth and always shifting at the right moment. No bogs no weird shifts. I'll have to look up the spec's but my gut feeling is this car would eat a Prii from a dig and keep on going. But we know neither is a drag car :p Just sayin :D

    What do I miss? I really miss the ICE shutting off at all stops and going down hills. To compensate for the B mode coming down 6% grades, I used the manual shift feature of the tranny to get engine braking and it did well. I think Hyundai calls it Shift-tronic or something like that. It works perfect.
    The Prii headlamps are brighter than the Elantra's. The Elantra headlamps are totally adequate but the Prii lights are like blazin light sabers in the night. I am more used to Toyota headlamps since I have been driving mostly Prii and other Toyota's for the past three years. All of them have wicked bright lights.

    So that is day one of the Elantra test drive road trip. The three of us (Wife, Son & I) counted tons of Gen III & Gen II Prii today. No Gen I seen which was weird. Usually we see a few Gen I Prii on road trips. None so far. I have cluster pictures I took tonight if anyone wants to see. This week and weekend I will be doing some Kentucky back road driving to see how the Elantra does in gas mileage and just plain old driving as I have done for several thousand miles in Prii. My thoughts right now, own both a Prius Five and a Elantra Limited. Unfortunately I haven't won the lottery, so I have to choose only one. Which one will it be? Each car has it's benefits, good points, and bad points. Tough decision. More driving time needed.

    I need to get some sleep :p
    Mike
     
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    Yes, you are right, and really this is probably a topic for a different forum. I will point out that the Camry and Fusion are both going to be all new next year, including their hybrid variants. I rarely buy cars in the first MY of production which means I would be holding off till the end of next year when the 2013s come out if I chose one of those two. Currently HSH gets the best mixed MPG of all three but that will likely change when the new vehicles hit the market next year.
     
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    Well this was a thread comparing a hybrid with a non-hybrid. I'm a big supporter of the Prius. I have a FFH because it suited me better during CFC and rebates.
     
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    Cruising around Louisville Kentucky​


    Today my son & I drove around Louisville in rush hour traffic to see how the car handled zooming in and out of lanes as needed. The usual driving stuff you find in a city :) From now on I will go off the car's mileage display since it showed me it was darn accurate. Leaving the hotel the first thing I noticed is the lack of luggage and people weight. The handling was way better not loaded heavy. No issues other than understeer feeling in tight off ramp corners. This is no track car but it could be setup like one if a guy wanted to do so. Same with the Prii, it can be turned into go-cart handling with some time & money. Anyhow, huge improvement in driving pleasure. Drove past a couple Toyota stores and low & behold, no Gen III Prii to be seen. Hmmm, remember I still need to at the very least sit in a Five to see that factory leather. Frustrating to not be able to find one yet. I know I have been talking cost this and that, but my wife will never forgive me if I don't do my research right and see what the Five is all about. Remember that I, as well as her, am very very biased toward the Prius. Heck we play the spot the Prius game EVERY time we drive around. I wish there was an iPhone app for that :p

    OK so back to driving the Elantra today... I am noticing the mpg guage slowly climbing since we left the hotel. This is city driving with absolutely no special right foot methods. I want real world gas mileage figures on this car. We stopped by a couple Hyundai stores to just look around. Ended up chit chatting with a younger sales guy at Hyundai of Louisville. Nice store and nice staff there. We talked about the Elantra's and the Sonata. I told him the Prius Chat people have been telling me this and that about the Sonata and that I should drive one. I didn't drive one there as I would rather rent one to get long term seat time in one. The one thing I noticed a few weeks back when we were in a Hyundai store was the Sonata is freakin huge like a Camry. Sure it would be a cushy ride like the Camry is but dang that would eat up a lot of our garage space too :( I have always liked smaller cars for my summer vehicle. Winter time, give me my AWD SUV any day :p

    Coming back to the hotel we spotted a Salsa Gen II which was cool. Those colors are not so common in our travels at least :) Again no Gen I Prii :confused: Don't these Kentucky people drive them anymore? The road had this construction going on and the right lane which I chose to drive in had those freakin rumble strips in it. I ended up right foot to the floor to get my butt out'a there and my son said hey dad this thing kind'a fly's :p Yea it has some decent zip without that luggage dragging us down. The Prii is the same way of course.

    So back to the hotel we end up and the mpg display is showing me 37 something mpg. I had gassed up in the wee hours this morning on our way into town and reset it then so it had to start all over again from scratch. It was showing 35.5 mpg from last nights short trip from the gas station to the hotel. 37 mpg is not bad for zipping across town in traffic, sitting at stoplights and plain old regular driving. It's still showing this car gets basically 10 mpg less than a Prii driven by a regular person doing nothing to get good mpg numbers. 10 mpg less city or highway. Note that last nights mileage was on Iowa Ethanol 87 octane gas. The RAV4 I drove a couple weeks ago got 30 plus mpg on that same gas from that same station. For those that say E-10 hurts mileage, I don't know what to say about that. Not with me driving. Same with a Prii we drove a few weeks prior to the RAV, filled up with Iowa Special Blend E-10 and it got better mileage than gas from other states. Weird. Must be in the corn :rockon:

    So after a couple days & a night driving the 2011 Elantra, I am liking this car. It gets decent gas mileage for what it is and costs. I still am a Prius nut so don't write me off just yet :wave: And to those with a liking for Ford's, I am happy you like your Fusion's. I just don't want a new Ford at this time ;) My wife has a Escort ZX-2 that she likes :bored:

    Mike :tea:
     
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    I'm assuming the Rav4 mileage was on freeways or similar conditions because our Rav4 averages 22mpg after a full tank.
     
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    All highway miles. It was on the route US-61, US-52 from Davenport Iowa to Minneapolis Minnesota if you want to see it on a map ;) What kind of driving do you do to get 22 mpg?

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    Make sure you cross check the fuel economy at the pump on that Elantra. The avg. guage might be very optimistic.

    30 MPG in a Rav4? Maybe under the best of conditions on the highway only.
     
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    Just regular city and highway. She is kind of a ledfoot though. :D
     
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    See post #130. The computer shows .3 mpg lower than actual calculated :)

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    That's what mine got too, that's why I traded it on the Prius ....

    The RAV4 was the only car I've owned in the last 10 years that I couldn't beat the EPA numbers with. I was very disappointed in my RAV4. 2008 with 4 cyl.

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    That's for sure.

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