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handy oil-change discovery

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by john1701a, Feb 27, 2011.

  1. john1701a

    john1701a Prius Guru

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    I experienced a happenstance with the previous oil change. Rather than a random light tap of the filter-wrench causing it just grasp the filter-cap, it turned out to be a precision hit. Oops!

    The thing slipped on entirely, an absolutely perfect fit. The metal tool was now tightly bonded to part of the car itself. It looked permanent too. I worried about not being able to get it off... so, decided to just leave it on.

    Well, upon inspecting the situation for this oil change, I discovered the convenience of already having it on and no chance of it (apparently ever) slipping loose. The tool is small, weighs very little, and rests just a half-inch from the threads with only a minor length increase. Most of the filter itself is internal anyway. In other words, my slip appears to be a discovery I feel comfortable suggesting now... with that specific tool, of course. I could imagine others not fitting that tight.

    So, it's there to stay.

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    All I can think of: you might want to put some sort of semi-adesive, say silicon caulk, in a few spots between the filter socket and the filter housing, to guard against it vibrating loose. Hmm:

    Maybe Toyota could make the housing metal, and put a 3/8" drive hole in it?

    Honda transmission drain bolts are like that: a round headed bolt with hole square hole for 3/8" drive. More convenient than Toyota's 10mm hex socket (fill and drain bolts on 3rd gen), I think.
     
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    According to Imperial, "they're dependable under pressure" Now that's just crazy!
     
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    Where did you happen to procure this little jewel?
     
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    My dealer sells them.

    At first, I wasn't sure what to make of how snug the fit was... wondering if it could ever get stuck on... then got my answer. The metal is really nice. The old plastic ones had the potential for it socket being stripped. On this, not a chance.
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    I used my filter wrench for the first time a couple of weeks ago. I was concerned too about how tight the fit was. I was able to tap mine a couple of times and knock it free, though.

    I never thought about leaving it on the filter !! Maybe next time.
     
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    where can I buy it?, is toyota dealer sell it John?

    V/r

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    But that adds weight to the car and my mileage will drop 0.0001 MPG!!!

    j/k

    My wrench fits snugly too, and I have to be careful to not get it stuck. Never really thought to just leave it on there. Next change is this weekend. Maybe I'll try that.

    Most plastics thermally expand/shrink more than metals. So, it'll stay on there hot, no problem, but it might get loose when it gets cold. Or, if you want your wrench back, try putting it in the freezer.
     
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    Fram (I think) makes some disposable filter with a 3/8" square socket built-in.

    Still, I'm not sure I'd want to do this, it might become addictive: next you'll be gluing a 14mm socket to the oil pan drain bolt ;)
     
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    It was -10°F here last week. That's colder than my freezer! The temp got even lower outside while I had it on. In fact, it was exposed to high temps too, since the previous oil-change was back in August.
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    John, it looks your engine underpanel was completely off in the pics. Was that just for the oil change, or are you leaving it off. Just curious, with reports of failing access doors on that panel.

    I trial-removed my whole panel, just for practice (have yet to get to first oil change interval, 8000 km in Canada), and found it took maybe 15 minutes, vs ~5 minutes for just getting the access door fasteners out. I'll likely just open the access door at first change, but intend to very easy on it: just opening it enough for access, and securing it with some twine, as opposed to overflexing it.
     
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    A unique solution John, I think I like it.
     
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    Not to criticize your idea, but if it ever came loose, would it pose a danger to other cars on the road?? Thanks for the neat pics - first time I ever saw the filter. How do you get under to drain the used liquid gold?
     
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    I bought one of these (after a cheap black plastic one would spin right around the filter), used this metal one, had it get stuck on the filter cap like you, decided like you to leave it permanently attached.

    Well.... at two oil changes later the new metal wrench-cap was loose on the filter cap, and in fact too loose. Upon attempted removal, it started to skip over all of the black ridges on the cap, and the cap would not budge. I still have not been able to remove the cap.

    My wrench now comes off just fine, and by putting adhesive tape on the inside of the metal fluted wrench I have made it fit snugly. So, now it will not try to skip past the ridges on the cap, but I have feared damaging the cap by giving my wrench even more force.

    The filter cap is still firmly in place. The last oil change was oil only, no cartridge. Very frustrating.

    (As well, my oil filter access drop-down door is just about completely broken at the hinge after four oil changes. I had to screw on a metal clamp to hold it, and I plan to add some full metal hinges if replacement is not covered by TSB that I've just learned about.)

    Has anyone ever broken a filter cap by torquing if off too forcefully?