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Hurricane frequency and intensity at record low, despite Al Gore

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by TimBikes, Aug 20, 2011.

  1. xs650

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    If ya'll do decide to get rid of him, please don't send him to Washington like ya'll did with the last clown you had as governor.
     
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    I remember when Y2K was all the rage. Even after it came and went without a blip, the Doom-and-Gloomers (as we called them) still prattled on (rule #1 of arguing on the Internet: Never admit you are wrong. Ever!). Then when 9/11 hit (yes, they were still going on even almost two years later), a few of them said "Ah-HA! We *TOLD* you something bad would happen! NOW admit we were right and you were wrong!"

    Although I still personally will blame Mojo if anything happens anywhere.
     
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    Source. I'm doubtful that reservoirs are enough to have an impact.
     
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    Let me google that for you

    Over 1" lower than it would be otherwise.
     
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    Meanwhile, Texas is suffering through its worst recorded drought, and the warmest summer on record. In Dallas, for example, the average daily temperature has been above 90'F since June 1.

    Stupid deniers. None Dare Call It Global Warming.
     
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    Corwyn Energy Curmudgeon

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    You only say this because you weren't involved in all the fixes which caused it to come and go without a blip. I can assure you, if I had not done my part, high value money transfers would have failed on January first.

    The media hyped it up, as is there wont, but the problem was real. And we fixed it.

    And,of course, now this is used as an argument that all dire predictions must be false, as if they had anything to do with each other. Sigh.
     
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    Above 90 since June 1? That isn't even hot. I liked 90, before 90 was considered cool. The forecast is for 108 today, but it will be much hotter tomorrow. This is Texas, no one complains like a little girl about temperatures in the 90s. Read my post above if you "believe" this is proof of warming.

    It also isn't even close to the worst drought, its just the worst in my lifetime. We did have the "decade without rain" in the 40s and50s, and the dust bowl. This is the lowest rainfall year for many parts of Texas. ENSO still is not well, but partially explains the climate variability causing the western snow pack to increase while leaving Texas without rain. Sea temperatures also do affect ENSO, and of course ghg raise sea temperatures.

    Yeah, and then the true believers did blame Katrina on warming. Its important to understand the difference between weather, climate variability. Calling the hot spell in Dallas proof of warming, only will create the next cold winter proof that its a hoax.
     
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    I lived in Silicon Valley in the late 90s/early 00s. Half the people I knew were working 60 hour weeks fixing Y2K messes.

    But then, they would have done the same without the people shouting "OMG! WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!"

    Y2K *WAS* a real problem, and it was fixed before it did any damage.

    Climate Change *IS* a real problem, now it's up to us to fix it (assuming we can, which I hope is the case).
     
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    Are you sure you live in Austin? The average, defined for each day as the average of the daily high and low temperatures, has been above 90'F. By that measure this is the hottest summer since records have been kept, including the godawful summer of 1980. The lows have all been above 80'F and so far 59 highs have been 100'F or higher. Increased low and average temps are the very hallmark of global warming. This is the new normal, god help us all.
     
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    Yes, richard I live in the ATX. The post before this last one I mentioned the record heat this summer. I think we are on day 72 over 100 and we should blast through the 1925 record of 69 days. I just was poking a little fun at your measure of average temperature, its that awful heat after work that gets to me. I guess I should have used a smiley, but thought the hipster joke would clue you in. Dallas always feels less comfortable in the summer, even though we are further south. I think you have higher lows, maybe caused by a larger urban heat island effect and more humidity.

    Texas temperatures have risen much more than global warming. They will likely be cooler next year. They better be, otherwise we may be in for the biggest drought in Texas history. There is inherent climate variability. Last year was hotter globally, but much cooler locally.
     
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    Hurricane* frequency in my area up 100%, despite hurricane deniers!

    :p
     
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    "Global Warming" does not mean everywhere gets hot. It means extremes become more normal with a more general warming overall.

    And Texas has a solution, prayer. 3 whole days. Perhaps you should try again with 6 days? :D

    Texas Governor Asks Residents To Pray For Rain Amid Extreme Drought | FoxNews.com

    (And the source is even from Fox!)
     
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    I saved a ski lift pass that blipped that day -- January 1, 1900 -- while we were locked out of the office for four days to allow IT to handle any blips. While most of us were not privy to the actual findings, a whiteboard checkoff list did show one remaining blip when we returned.

    A review much earlier discovered that the parts ordering system for this manufacturing plant was not even 1999 compliant.
     
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    Thanks for politicizing this topic.
     
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    Sadly, science in general seems to have become a political controversy.
     
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    :mad: Given the gallup poll its a little scary that perry might get the nomination. We have seen the damage he has done in a state with a weak governor. Hopefully the country will come to its senses and not elect him for office anywhere.
    Global warming simply means that over climatic time (30 year periods) the global average temperatures increase. Your first statement is definitely true but your second one shows the same lack of understanding that mojo and rick perry seem to espouse. Local temperatures on single seasons really are meaningless when it comes to demonstrating warming. If we cherry pick 1998, and do not average over time you find no statistically significant warming, and we can find many weather events that seem to say global warming is a hoax. If you actually do the work and average temperatures over decades you can see global warming actually exists, and has not stopped. Over the last century the earth has warmed approximately 1.3 degrees Fahrenheit (switching for easier understanding). IIRC the urban heat island effect in dallas is 2 degrees during the day and 4 degrees at night. These are anthropogenic changes that locally far outstrip AGW, but statistically urban heat island is not large (there are many rural weather stations in Texas to counteract the big cities). Today in Austin we should be 15 degrees higher than normal with climate variability vastly outstripping ghg warming and urban heat island effects. I just checked and globally we are on the 11th hotest year, last year was in a statistical dead heat for the hotest year. Last year in Austin our weather was normal, this year we are setting records that have stood for long periods of time. Given the lack of year over year consistancy and the known explanation of ENSO, it should be clear to see this is clearly climate variability that is consistent with climate change, not proof of global warming.
     
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    Hurricane Irene came and went without a problem here. You're off the hook, Mojo...THIS TIME.
     
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    Its called bad weather.

     
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    Piers Corbyn predicts weather accurately because he understands the cause of weather.
    Computer modelers predict nothing because their models have no understanding of the actual cause of weather.
    Piers,so far, correctly predicted 5 tropical storm formations this year.He was half wrong about the location of a 6th.


    "The timing, general region of formation and predicted track of Hurricane Irene were predicted 85 days ahead - to within a day - by Piers Corbyn, astrophysicist of WeatherAction.com long range forecasters."

    Comments from Piers
    http://www.weatheraction.com/docs/WANews11No12.pdf