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Hybrid Specialist or Dealer ?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by color-blind, Oct 29, 2011.

  1. color-blind

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    I noticed a similar post was written here back in 2006 and I am interested to see what the thoughts are now. If your area had a Hybrid Specialist would you take your Prius to them instead of the dealer? I"ll be honest I'm considering opening a hybrid shop that will specialize in Toyota Hybrid Vehicles. I'd considered this a few years ago yet decided that the time was not right. The vehicles were too new and they all were going back to the dealer. Even now I find many Prius owners expect the dealer to cover items that are well out of warranty. Yet recently I've been getting more and more calls for help with Prius vehicles. The dealers are starting to get strict with customers on warranty and they are charging a premium for Prius maintenance/repairs.

    The Prius has been an all around great vehicle with much lower maintenance costs than many other imports. Yet when a Prius does break it can be very expensive. Though most of the expensive repairs such as battery replacement don't hit until 150,000 miles. So far I've seen many Prius owners going to the dealer and getting sticker shock on the first repair that is not covered by warranty. This is where I believe a Hybrid specialist could save you time and money. For example if your MFD Screen, power steering or trans-axle failed would you be interested in a second opinion and a lower price? Basically is the timing correct now for a Hybrid Specialist? In such states as CA this is not a new idea. Many of you may already know of Luscious Garage which is a good example of this. .So if a Hybrid shop were to open in your area and offer free loaner cars and lower prices than the dealer would you switch over?

    All suggestions welcomed.
     
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    JimN Let the games begin!

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    For a non-warranty repair, I'd give an indy shop a chance.
     
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    It would depend on a lot of factors.

    Primarily, though, trust is probably tops among that. I don't go to dealer because of the prices, but I have a perception that they would be the best at knowing how to solve my car issues and they have a higher level of professionalism.

    If the shop can build up a good reputation (and, perhaps more than I should hope for, maintain a PriusChat presence), I would be glad to switch over.
     
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    Now is the time to start a shop. Hybrid market share is only going to increase. Don't specialize in only Prius -- it is too reliable -- unless you are doing salvage rebuilds in parallel like autobeyours.com. Most first gen Honda hybrids out there are out of warranty and they all have battery problems and transmission problems. The guy at hybrid-battery-repair.com does something like 20 battery rebuilds a month just on Honda 00-06. The CVT is not rebuildable, and the Insight manual transmission has problems with the input shaft bearing. Hybrids tend to be high mileage cars, and many of them fall out of warranty quickly. You have both an advantage and disadvantage: many people automatically go to the dealer because most conventional all-makes or Japan-makes shops will not work on hybrids.
     
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    If a repair weren't covered under warranty, I would obtain service at a hybrid shop. The only issue is availability. I'm not aware of any hybrid specialty service center in the Phoenix metro area.

    I envy Bay area residents. The owner/operator of Luscious Garage has certainly set a standard for hybrid service. I hope to see the concept expand across the country.
     
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    Thanks for the response. The interesting thing about this is that there actually is some very good training available to the aftermarket. Better than the factory training. For example many dealerships will replace the Prius transmission when it has an issue. While in the aftermarket they have developed ways to repair the transmission. The reason you currently do not see many Hybrid shops is that most shop owners at this point in time have the perception that Hybrid owners are "cheap". They believe that Hybrid owners do not do preventative maintenance such as the 30, 60, 90k services. In addition they believe that as soon as a Hybrid needs a major repair that they simply want to get rid of the car. Therefore most shops will not invest in the training or tooling required for Hybrid service. Basically they do not feel as though they could turn a profit.

    I too used to believe this. Now that Hybrids are getting up there in age. I believe that times may have changed. The dealerships are charging a premium for Hybrid service for the simple reason that they can. They really don't have that much competition. Just due to the sheer numbers of Hybrids out now I see it as a good market to tap into.
     
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    You are correct about doing other Hybrid lines. For the purpose of this forum I was trying to keep it dedicated to Prius. You are also spot on about the Prius being reliable, in my opinion Toyota is the best Hybrid manufacturer. I've actually done both Honda and Toyota hybrid service. What is interesting is that most civic owners would not own another just too many problems. While Prius owners have no issue with purchasing another.

    Even though the Prius may be the best Hybrid available they are not without there issues as we all know. I did a Gen 2 this week that had lost it's power steering and the buttons on the steering wheel intermittently did not function. For the power steering it was simply a module that had failed. And for the buttons the clock spring had failed. Both fairly easy to diagnose and replace. What I do find interesting is how many complain about the cost of battery replacement. Even though most tend to go 150,000 miles plus. Really the cost of battery replacement is not that bad when you compare it to maintenance/repair costs of other car lines. For example Subaru owners are now aware that they need to have head gaskets replaced and of course the timing belt. This repair alone can equal that of a battery replacement. Thanks again for your response. Just don't go trading in your Prius for a Civic Hybrid anytime soon, LOL.
     
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    I did the battery on stepfather's Civic Hybrid. He mentioned that the CVT is getting a little shaky as well, in spite of 30K fluid changes. He had a quote from his dealer for $6000 for both. The 03-05 HCH is a disaster. I do think the Prius is subject to a number of small nit-picky issues, like the engine water pump on 04-08, the driver's side axle seal, etc. Also, we are about 2-3 years away from a much increased prevalence of Gen II battery failures and A/C problems.

    On the other hand, there will always be a demand for people to repair Chevys
     
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