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What's the best settings for AC for better MPG in winter?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Fuel Economy' started by tolick, Nov 11, 2011.

  1. tolick

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    Hello! I have a 2010 Prius IV with Plasmacluster A/C on board. On winter with A/C on at 75F-90F, Driving Mode Normal, computer showed 48-50MPG in the city with the average speed ~15mph. Now, here in Moldova we have 30-40F and in Driving Mode Normal, computer show 37-40MPG and average speed is 13mph. It's ok so big difference between summer and winter? I wear Michelin PA3 Winter tires, but the MPG was 38-40mpg also before wearing them, so i want to know what is the best choice for me.

    What driving mode i should use winter time? Normal or Eco

    What is better to choice, high temp and low speed on heater or high speed and lower temp?

    The info i put on top was while i was driving in Normal mode with Heater at 75F in Auto mode. So, please advice what i have to do to increase MPG to more than 40mpg.

    Thanks!
     
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    Winter is a mileage killer. Cold weather increases rolling resistance, aerodynamic resistance, and forces the engine to make more heat.

    The best AC setting for winter mileage is cold. Turn down the temperature to avoid taking heat from the engine.

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    so is better to set heater to higher fan speed and lower temp?
     
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    Geez! Just set it wherever makes you the most comfortable.
    Do not try to over-think the Prius - it is just a means of transportation, not a way of life.
     
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    I would put it on Auto and set the temp to the coldest you still feel comfortable.
     
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    Amen.
     
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    The heater is more efficient when it has adequate time to warm up to temperature. This is why an engine block warmer and grill blocking make a huge difference. Particularly with Prius which shuts down the ICE when it can.

    By starting on Max Cold setting no air is going through the engine to be warmed up (and drawing heat from the engine block), so most of that heat stays in the ICE and it warms up more quickly. Once warmed up to about 170 or so, unless you have a long stretch of gliding or something, it will stay warm enough to run the heater efficiently.

    Absolutely you can "just drive it" (or just heat it I guess), but you will definately take longer to get to efficient engine operating temp, take longer to get maximum heat, and very negatively impact the fuel economy.

    If you're willing to install and use an engine block heater you can dramatically reduce the amount of time it takes to warm up the ICE. If you're willing to grill block the chance of dropping the ICE temp below and effective level is lower and the ICE will heat up more quickly. And if you're willing to wear a coat and gloves in the car for the first 5-10 minutes and then use a modest heat setting (I rarely go over 70F since I already have a coat on) it will allow the ICE to stay a bit warmer and run more efficiently.

    and some of us enjoy overthinking it...to each his/her own.
     
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    Set the temp to 68 - 70 and make sure the "A/C" button is turned off. You don't need to run the A/C condenser unit for warm air. What I normally do when I first start out on a cold morning is switch the system OFF and turn on my heated seat. Once the engine warms up, I then set it on AUTO with a 66 or 68 degree temp setting.
     
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    MAX HOT with auto off is what has worked best for me.

    ECO mode is also a big plus, since that reduces the engine-on threshold.

    I start driving with the fan off, then I just keep my eye on the coolant temperature displayed on the ScanGauge. Once hot, you can be surprisingly generous with the fan... and know exactly when the engine is about to start back up. Toasty warm for me. I don't care for driving with gloves.
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    automatic mode - temperature setting 75 - air conditioning off - don't touch again 'til summer
     
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    On the subject of temp vs fan, they are not interchangeable. The fan should be set at the lowest level which accomplishes the desired air mixing. Thus it depends on the number of passengers, whether there is any condensation or frost on the windows, temperature difference, and so on. Remember that faster air directly on your skin will cool to some extent. Heat should be kept off until the engine has heated up, and then set to the desired temperature. I believe the Prius works the same way as a home thermostat, in other words it will try to bring the temperature up to the set point as well as possible, and then turn off until it cools off a bit. So, turning the heat to 90 will not warm the car up to 68 faster than setting it at 68.
     
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    i keep mine at max cold and fan off. i only use defrost as needed. plenty of gortex, gerry.
     
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    To elaborate on the above, the OP might want to look at my section on heater management at http://priuschat.com/forums/gen-iii...mileage-gets-worse-in-winter.html#post1411488.

    Yep, having a SG is super helpful since you can monitor he coolant temp and know when the HVAC fan might need to shut off to prevent the ICE from running to provide cabin heat. Also, it gives you a reliable ICE on/off indicator. It can be hard to tell if it's on/off while moving.
    I doubt that'd give the best mileage. I almost NEVER use auto because I don't know what it's doing (whether it's running the AC compressor when I don't want it, whether it's causing the ICE to run to provide cabin heat, etc.).
     
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    I would use Auto and set it at a comfortable temperature, but that's unrelated to your question. You asked what is best for mileage. In that case set it at a low temperature and a low fan speed. Turning the fan off completely will save a tiny bit more fuel.

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    This will be our first winter with a Prius.

    Our habit has been to wear a coat / gloves / hat while driving, anytime the temps are below -5F.

    Every vehicle has it's own delay from when you first start it, until heat finally starts coming out.

    Sometimes we carry spray-bottles with anti-freeze to help clear the inside of the windshield and side windows. Sometimes we have used plug-in 12VDC heaters to blow warm air on the windshield to help get it defrosted, until the vehicle's defrost finally kicks in.

    I would imagine that driving a Prius will be about the same process.

    We have cracked windshields before, so everyone should be reminded to take it easy when applying heat to a windshield. When heat finally comes out the defrost only use 50% heat setting and never the full 100% setting. You need to slowly warm the windshield, so it warms evenly and does not crack.

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    the thing is, if you're gonna go with low temp, you really don't want it blowing on you.
     
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