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SKS sets off aftermarket alarm - is there a fix?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Technical Discussion' started by mlbex100, Jan 5, 2012.

  1. mlbex100

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    I had a simple alarm installed. If the car is locked and the dome light comes on, it alarms (it also has an impact sensor). This works even even if the dome light switch is in the OFF position; it gets its signal from before the switch.

    The trouble is that when I walk by my car with the fob in my pocket, the SKS lights the dome light, and it sets off the alarm.

    I've tried turning off SKS, but the sequence of steps dercribed (unlock, open/close door twice, click Unlock twice, etc) doesn't work.

    I could live without SKS anyway, if I could switch it off. I can't live with the alarm responding to the SKS.

    Is there a reasonable workaround? Suggerstions? I'm not interested in enclosing my fob in a Faraday cage.

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    Mike
     
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    Easy ... get rid of the alarm :p
     
  3. mlbex100

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    Give up... great strategy. I'll have to remember that. It might be useful in the future. But for now, are there any more ideas?


     
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    The SKS system is a far better deterrent to someone stealing your car than your after market alarm. If necessary get the Glass Breakage Sensor option added. If someone breaks the windows, it goes off, thieves do not necessarily open the door to rip you off!
    So yeah, scrap the aftermarket alarm. You are already covered.
    The other way someone is going to get your car is towing or dragging it away, if they are that determined, bye bye! :eek:
     
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    I'm trying to protect the contents of my car. I often transport expensive musical instruments. Someone can break a window or jimmy open a door and take them. (I hide them too: I never transport them where they can be seen).

    When I bought the car, the dealer told me it does not have an alarm, but they could put one in for $600. They also told me that it is an aftermarket system and that Toyota does not make an alarm for this car.

    Here's another question. I don't really like the car responding to me when I walk by it. That annoyed me even before I had the alarm installed. I want it to do nothing unless I push a button. Can I disable that function without reducing its ability to protect my car from being stolen?

    Mike

     
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    About the best alternative I can simply offer, pull the bulb from the socket. when you walk by no light. However, when you need a light to enter the car at night, that could be a problem!
    You know, somebody else jump in here. I thought that SKS was a type of theft deterrent as well as a cool feature. with my 08, all I need to do is add a Glass Breakage Sensor to trip the horn & lights when somebody breaks a window!
     
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    The sensor reads the voltage in the circuit before the bulb, and even before the switch that disables the dome light.

    So I have two questions and one comment:

    1) How do you make an intrusion alarm work without using the dome light circuit?

    2) Can I turn off the automatic fob-sensing capability of the SKS without compromising the anti-theft capability?

    3) Your Prius is a Gen2. Mine is a Gen3. My Gen2 had a Toyota-designed alarm. According to the dealer I talked to, Toyota doesn't make an alarm kit for the Gen3, so it is up to me or my installer to deal with the SKS.

    Mike

     
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    Gen 3 also has a "designated alarm" - it's the VIP system. It's port or dealer installed. I had it installed w/ GBS. It'll honk and go nuts if the door is opened or the glass broken.

    Doesn't interfere w/ the normal operation of the car.

    My dad had an aftermarket alarm shoved down his throat by a dealer. While SKS doesn't set it off, it doesn't properly detect the unlock from the trunk and he's always setting his off. Aftermarket alarms - unless specifically designed w/ the 3rd Gen Prius in mind - just don't play well.

    I'm with the rest of these guys - yank the broken system and get something that works. Giving up isn't always bad if you learn from the mistake.
     
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    Yeah, ya got me on that one, I forgot about that alarm trigger source thing, my bad! You could go Ultrasonic, that would provide a dry contact closure, and that would trip the alarm. There has to be a +12 volt model somewhere, a great Google search!
    I do not think so, but a quick call to the dealer , or two should give you a yes or no! Anybody else want to jump in here, now's a good time.
    Never a fellow Technologist (Geek) like me around when you need a pair for an answer!
    Really, that sucks. That is a good combo package, I do not see why they did not carry it over to Gen III. I have the same beef with the MFD. I do not like Gen III because it has a sub quality MFD pkg! and that center console thing....don't get me started!
    You know the more I think as I type, Ultrasonic sensor in the interior might just be the ticket.. Google time, update later
    Good Luck!

    Edit, Clifford makes a sensor as an accessory. Ultrasonic Sensor Interior Movement Sensor The Ultrasonic Sensor is used to provide coverage of a vehicle’s interior cabin area. The sensor detects movement inside the vehicle by sensing air disturbance. They should trigger the alarm if a thief has gained access to the interior of your vehicle.

    http://www.clifford.com/Products/Accessories.aspx

    It probably runs off of +12, and supply's a dry contact closure. That would certainly work to trip the alarm! I bet there are others, this one took a minute to find! Clifford is a OK Alarm Co.
    [​IMG]
     
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    The Toyota RS3200 Plus VIP security system will take care of your problem. It is a factory system that can be installed by the dealer. [​IMG]

    Toyota Prius Accessories look under the interior section. MSRP installed starts at $359.00 without the glass breakage sensor.
     
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    There you go! Sounds like the option you are looking for!!!
     
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    mlbex100 got a few questions for you, I think you entered the wrong infomation in your profile. First unless you bought a rental or a fleet vehicle you don't have a 2011 Prius I or 1/One or whatever you call it. What trim level car do you have? For MY 2011 trim level Ones were not sold at dealers for normal purchases they were only sold as fleet vehicles, MY 2011 trims went from Two to Five. Another thing if it is a One you will not have the SKS. Lastly what is the active package?

    PriusChat Shop : 2010-2011 Toyota Prius RS3200 VIP Security System w/ Glass Break [PT398-47090] - $325.00$259.99

    The alarm you need once again, someone lied to you.

    Afterthought: If you have SKS it can be disabled.
     
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    Might want to have them recheck the wiring to the dome light. Ask on the 12v forum, those guys would know.
     
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    I just started using TechStream w/ the MFC Mongoose cable; a few times in the last day and a half. I may be wrong, but I think there was an option to disable the interior light *with* SKS enabled.

    I don't have the right computer with me, so I can't advise right now. If you can wait till this evening, after I get some sleep, maybe I can dig into TS and see if it's there.

    There's always a solution to a problem - some elegant, some not.

    Safe trips
     
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    I just came back in after digging around in TS. I didn't find an option that would kill the dome light, but after trying, I thought about your first paragraph.

    If the alarm is tied in before the light, and the light going on triggers the alarm, then the trigger is a voltage drop (or milliamp draw) due to the light's current draw.

    When you said that turning the dome switch to 'off' made no difference, that tells me that the trigger is not a voltage drop in the line - defeating the light, in any manner, whether by removing the bulb, or turning off the switch, should preclude any current draw, hence the alarm should not trigger.

    It sounds like the trigger is tied to another component, or current draw. Perhaps it is tied into an SKS transmitter/receiver. Then when the fob is detected, and the module orders current to the light, perhaps it is the module's current draw that is triggering the alarm. (it could be any number of components that the installer tied into.)

    Time to KO. I hope I explained my logic clearly.
     
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    All the local dealers are quoting me about $700 for the VIP RS3200 installed. That's twice the MSRP quoted above. I'd like to know who quoted you that price; I'd do it for that much.

    My local Toyota dealer can turn off the passive sensing of the fob for $70. It should not compromise the security features. (The "Easter Egg" sequence of button presses and door openings is not working).

    I might be able to have the installer switch the alarm to trigger from the courtesy switch instead of the dome light. The passive sensor turns on the dome light but not the courtesy switch (I think that is the lights that light up at the bottom of the doors when you open them. I'll check when I get back to my car.)

    I'm still researching, and open to suggestions.

    Thanks all, for your responses.

    Mike
     
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    There is a setting in TS called "Room Light when Aprchd" - Lights up the power switch illumination, front interior lights, rear interior light and footwell lights when a key enters any actuation area around the doors. The default is ON, perhaps you can request your dealer to set it to OFF?

    Vincent
     
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    If you are in the South Bay Area, I am somewhat local to you and would be more than glad to turn off that option via Techstream for you and save you the $70. Send me a PM if you're interested.

    MB860 ?
     
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    I bought the one with no upgrades. Maybe it is a #2; I'll change my profile if that is the case.

    I would have liked the LED headlights and a few other things, but I didn't want to pay for a nav system, and all the options I wanted came with it.

    You said:

    >The alarm you need once again, someone lied to you.

    I'm not sure what you mean.

    I am looking into disabling the SKS as one of my choices. I looked up sequences of actions that are supposed to do it (eg: unlock the door, open the door/close it 2x, press unlock 2x, etc. They haven't worked. The dealer wants $70 to turn it off).

     
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    What brand/model aftermarket alarm did you put in?