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Benefits of Prius Ownership?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by sunnysandiegan, Dec 14, 2005.

  1. sunnysandiegan

    sunnysandiegan New Member

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    I was reading the Maryland topic and recalled reading somewhere that CA allowed the Prius to be exempt from SMOG testing at one point. Is this still the case?

    I know about the following 'benefits' or 'perks' of owning a Prius:

    2005 purchase date (before 12/31/05) = $2000 federal tax DEDUCTION.

    2006 purchase (definitely first two quarters, but unknown how long afterwards) = federal tax CREDIT in neighborhood of $3000 based upon two calculations.
    ---> Complex rules for this one! I believe there is a link on this site for the details.

    Up to 75,000 qualifying vehicles in California = "Clean Air" stickers from state that allow single occupants to drive in HOV (carpool) lanes after submitting a form and $8.

    Low emissions - Can someone technical give some comparisons to my '95 Toyota Corolla? Also, perhaps compared to DH's '04 Camry? Or links to such info...

    Increased fuel economy - Can someone point me to the appropriate threads/sites to learn how to drive the vehicle in the most fuel-efficient manner?

    Cool technology - What is your favorite 'techie' feature?

    What else is there that I am missing???

    Anything specific to California (aside from the HOV access)?

    THANKS!!!
    Karin

    P.S. More and more friends and family members are finding out about our upcoming purchase and some are exceedingly curious. A few are interested in potentially purchasing...
     
  2. geologyrox

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    hi - I'm Karin too!

    anyways, I think there is a comparing utility at fueleconomy.gov that should do exactly what you want to show you emisions.

    Because i'm feeling useful tonight, heres the stats:

    2005 Toyota Prius: 3.5 tons of greenhouse gases per year
    2004 Toyota Camry: between 7.0 and 8.1 tons per year (varies with engine)
    1995 Toyota Corolla - between 6.3 and 6.9 tons per year (again w/ engine)

    So yay - you'd be cutting your emissions about in half - likely better, because the corolla is a 10 year old vehicle
     
  3. Tempus

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    Everyone knows the primary reason for having a Prius is because it's a Chick Magnet.
     
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    Thanks Karin! :)

    Oh my! Tempus... LOL

    Thanks Tideland Prius (and efusco)! I will read and study that later. I appreciate the link!!!
     
  6. TonyPSchaefer

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    1) That smug sense of self-righteousness when you see an SUV at the gas pump one week after you last got gas and you still have half a tank.

    2) For me, 448 gallons of saved gasoline in the first 16,000 miles of ownership:
    http://priuschat.com/index.php?showtopic=13198&hl=

    3) HGOC (Head Geek on Campus)

    4) The knowledge that if all cars increased by an average of 10MPG we would not need to import oil.

    5) The fact that someone has to lead the way. Someone has to go before.
     
  7. popsrcr

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    Lord, hang it up man. You can feel smug while I laugh at you.

    Really, I just do not understand this attitude...at all. Plenty of people on this board have SUVs (not me actually, but I did).

    But, there you go. HGOC. Pretty much says it all.
     
  8. TonyPSchaefer

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    Most of my posts (wow, already more than 2,300) are tongue-in-cheek.

    But when it comes down to it, yeah. I am pretty darned proud of my vote: voting with my wallet, that is. I enjoy the knowledge that hybrid vehicles are being purchased in greater numbers while some drivers of other vehicles are burning their vehicles on the roadsides. I wrote a $26,000 ballot a year ago and I stand by it. If it will help ease the tension, I will rephrase my original statement to something more along the lines of “that smug feeling I get knowing that my wife has to stand in the cold once a week to refill her Buick Regal - which is identical to the one I traded in to get my Prius.â€

    Head Geek on Campus? In reality, I’m nowhere near that. Though I do work for an engineering company with literally hundreds of software designers and engineers and I’m only the third person here to own a hybrid. It did get me a little respect in their circles, though.
     
  9. micheal

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    While it was tongue-in-cheek, I think you have a good point Tony.

    Not that I think that I am superior to SUV driving persons, but the perk of having only of the most sophisticated cars on the road today, not to mention the cleanest and one of the most fuel efficient. I will admit that it is priceless the shock on people's face when I saw I get between 55 and 60 mpg! Right or wrong, SUV's have become symbolic of American wastefulness in many people's minds (myself included) and I do feel good that I am not contributing to that in my Prius when I see the multiple SUV's with 1 passenger, or for that matter, multiple Hummers.

    How much is it worth for someone to be part of the solution instead of part of the problem?

    (I'm not saying every SUV owner is part of the problem)
     
  10. popsrcr

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    Well, I still don't get it. Why would you feel smug that your wife fills up her gas tank more?
    I guess the difference between me and *most* people here is I am a CAR guy, not a Green guy. I think the Prius is great and I'm glad we have one. I am all for helping the environment, but it just so happens that cars are a hobby for me. The Prius (at this point) isn't really a hobby car (ok, I should qualify that, it isn't a performance hobby car).

    I like to read about all cars, and I do, but my interest is performance cars. I don't feel smug that I can out accelerate a Prius (or anything for that matter), I just enjoy my car and respect that you do the same.
     
  11. popsrcr

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    So, lets say you have two cars. Lets also say you are fortunate enough to afford a boat, or jetskis or whatever. Lets say you and your spouse both work.
    None of the above statements are uncommon.
    You gotta tow that boat, right? So, you have an SUV that allows you to take your family, perhaps some friends and your boat to the lake.
    If you can't afford another car, your going to be driving that SUV to work, and likely by yourself.

    While I agree that there are way more SUVs on the road than fit the above scenario, there are a lot that do. We had SUVs for years, and it was quite handy. Used it mostly for getting plants for the garden and going to the dump. Also managed to pack it pretty full for beach weeks. I'm not really sure how we'll do that now.
     
  12. TonyPSchaefer

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    Thanks for reminding me, Micheal. I wasn't saying that either. I have posted on numerous occasions that there are many valid reasons for driving big-A vehicles. Heck, I grew up in the sticks and I know that puny cars just don't cut it as the main vehicles on farms. Nor do they belong on industrial construction sites and in off-road situations. But as Micheal pointed out, it's the purchase for purchase's sake that irks me. It's the idea that you don’t have to look hard to see someone driving and promote the driving of oversized vehicles as status symbols. If that's not smug and self-indulgent, I don't know what is. So as far as I'm concerned: right back at ya.

    Shoot, this morning I drove myself to work because it was not convenient to carpool. I even felt bad about that because 75% of my car was empty. And it'll be that way on the way home, too. It's just slightly offset (in my mind, anyway) by the sight of an H2 right next to me with a single occupant. But I’m sure even Popsrcr would agree that there's no way the purchase of an unnecessary $54,000 vehicle could make someone smug.

    For the record, the towing capacity, passenger capacity, fuel efficiency, and cost of the Hummer line of vehicles has been very well documented on thie forum and extensively compared to other vehicles. In essence, its role as a 'useful' vehicle. Short version: it didn't win.
     
  13. TonyPSchaefer

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    There are many good arguments and ideas put forth in Plato's The Replublic but I grow tired of reading it because it's written by one person who is documenting an imaginary conversation between two people. In that situation, the pursuader is allowed to paint any scenario he wishes and then back his position with no opposition.

    So the answer to the scenario you paint is simple. A vehicle would need sufficient power to tow the boat. Correct.

    But that's where we differ. I wouldn't own the boat, jet-skis, snow-mobiles, whatever. Money pits. Waste of time and money. None of those items will help me retire earlier. In fact, the maintenance alone on those items might keep me from retiring, not to mention the fuel, storage, the large vehicle to tow them, and the membership of the yacht club where I park my boat.

    But as I said in my previous thread, I recognise the need for hauling things. For that reason, I rent flatbed trucks from Home Depot when I'm putting up dryway and/or plywood. The hourly cost of the truck is considerably less than the cost of owning, fueling, and maintaining a similar vehicle. That's the same reason I rent the floor sander once every five years rather than buying one. The same with the tile cutter that I rented once and might need again some time in the future.

    You see, we are shown extremes in commercials. We are told about how these things have umpteen hundreds of horsepower. We are told that driving these things will make us look more successful. And in our minds, we can imagine that one situation when we want to drive through a rain forest, when we need to haul a horse trailer on a windy cliff-side road, and when we bump into our ex-girlfriend in Aspen. But in reality, more than 90% of the American population do not fit those categories.

    I took the red pill. I can now see the Matrix for what it is.
     
  14. frankie_delaware

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    I'm interested in the Prius for the gas savings, reduced emissions, and the "gee whiz" factor! From reading many of the posts it sounds like a computer on wheels, I think the Prius will make a great hobby! ;)

    I own two SUVs, a 1983 Land Cruiser wagon (before there were "SUVs") and a 2004 4runner. The Land Cruiser has served me well as a camping/family/daily driver for 22 years, but at 200K miles and 10 mpg I'm looking to retire it.

    The 4runner is my new camping-mobile, can tow a camping trailer, and it's also got the size and comfort I like for trips. I'm not crazy about the 16 mpg I'm getting, but after two years we've only put 10000 miles on it.

    The Prius will fit right in as my new daily commuter car. I've been carpooling for a couple of years now, which has helped a lot with gas costs (and stress level!), the Prius will make that even sweeter

    I feel adding the Prius will help average out the mileage and emissions of the 4runner.
     
  15. popsrcr

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    And there you have it. People enjoy their vehicles for different reasons. You have some sort of *world goodness* attached to your car, and the Hummer owner enjoys having a big, cool looking truck. Again, both of you enjoy your vehicles, you just seem to hate them.

    Smug? I do not know, self indulgent, sure. I don't have a problem with that.
     
  16. TonyPSchaefer

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    I think you hit it smack on the head. Personally, I can't say that I've ever had anything I could ever feel smug about. I always got the hand-me-downs and always played it safe. Now I have something I can feel smug about for my own reasons. And gosh darn it, you're right; we all love our vehicles for our own personal reasons. Therefore, no one has to agree with me!

    Hello. My name is Tony and I'm a smug Prius owner! [​IMG]
     
  17. popsrcr

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    That's fine. No issue whatsoever. But, and its a big but, there are many on the other side of this. I do not find toys to be wastes of time or money pits. They help me and my family relax and enjoy our time together.

    It seems to me that you just feel superior. I guess that's ok, I just find it rude. You condemn what millions do because it doesn't fit your ideal or further your goals (apparently retiring early, good luck with that, I plan on it as well).

    I do my best to leave this alone now as we are at an impass.
     
  18. HeyKB

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    Getting back on topic...

    You're supporting hybrid technology. That was a significant reason we bought our '05. As hybrid engines become more common and accepted, the better our world gets. (For whatever definition of "better" you care to use.)

    Enjoy!
     
  19. Mystery Squid

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    I just wanted to make a point here. I've never fully understood why people buy into this philosophy of rushing to retirement, and doing everything you can for it. First off, you may be dead, secondly, you can't really enjoy jetski's, snowmobiles, etc. when you're 65, but more importantly, most people I know who have retired, wish they could go back to work, or open up their own business because they're flat out bored, which is more difficult at those ages. Also, many of those toys are cheaper than you think, you don't need a Yamaha Raptor to enjoy 4-wheeling, a $1,000 or less, Blaster will do. Likewise with jetski's, so on and so fourth...

    "Retirement" is just as much an advertising tool for financial firms as commercials for SUV's are for their respective manufacturers. Just like the adds that scare old folks about loosing the big homes they spent most of their lives paying for. The reality is, a big home when you're old is a burden. I know too many retiree's that simply sold their homes and picked up a spartan 1 bedroom condo, or studio, for which to remain for the rest of their lives... Intentionally, and they love it because it's simple and easy to maintain.

    Now, I'm not saying f-it-all and not plan for a rainy day, but more amongst the lines of not sacrificing too much of a today for a tomorrow.

    I have absolutely "0" plans to actually "retire", and when the time comes, all I want is a small studio apartment somewhere warm, preferably paid for by the State.