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A Warning About Alignments

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by The Critic, Mar 30, 2012.

  1. The Critic

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    In order to get a good wheel alignment, these items must be true:

    1) Regardless of the alignment rack used, the alignment is only as good as the technician.

    2) The machine must be accurate. Therefore, the alignment system must be serviced periodically by the manufacturer.

    3) The proper alignment procedure should be followed, since it can vary significantly from model to model.

    Earlier this week, I installed a set of Prius Plus Performance lowering springs. After installation, it was evident that an alignment was needed. So, after driving for three days and about 150 miles, I visited a Sears store to get a free alignment check. (FYI, Sears uses a new proprietary system from Hunter which allows the alignment check to be done in the service drive.)

    These were the results from the Sears Alignment Check:

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    As expected, the front toe was off the charts. The rear toe and camber, while not perfect, seem reasonable considering that the car is now lowered. In the future, I will need to install a EZ shim and SPC spacers to better adjust the toe, but for now it is passable.

    Since I have a Firestone lifetime alignment policy, I drove across the parking lot and had Firestone perform an alignment.

    Firestone only adjusted the front toe only, as requested. However, do note the huge differences in the other readings compared to the Sears alignment check results. :eek:

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    First, the measured value for left-front camber is fairly similar between the two printouts. The left-rear and right-rear toe readings though, are very different. According to Firestone, I have 0.42deg of toe-in on the LR, but Sears' alignment sensors are stating that I have about 0.25deg of toe-in. This is a 0.17 deg difference between the two readings!

    I am not entirely sure what happened, since the sensors were mounted properly in both cases and readings were taken in the correct manner, but the results are very different. This is not comforting at all.

    Obviously I will need to have a 3rd opinion, because now I am not sure whose numbers are correct. Someone needs to get their alignment system serviced by Hunter.

    As it proves time and time again, chain shops generally cater to a lower quality standard than expert alignment shops and dealerships. It typically takes me three visits to get a "passable" alignment from Firestone, which is quite inefficient. Usually they leave the steering wheel off-center, which they did again this time. Despite how cheaply their lifetime alignment plan is priced, the repeated visits are very frustrating.

    Also, Firestone does not always do a zero-point calibration after an alignment, despite having the Hunter codelink tool and the WinAlign software prompting them to do it. Luckily I have the Toyota Techstream Lite software so I do not have to rely on them.

    Moral of the story? Find someone competent to do your alignments, and chain shops can be a real crapshoot. And if some chain shops are not already bad enough, having a questionable alignment rack only makes matters a lot worse!
     
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    Mike,

    That has been my experience with computerized alignment machines at the same two national chain stores that you mention, plus Goodyear.

    Every time I have run in to conflicting tests, I have taken my car to an "old-fashioned" alignment shop that has been in business for many, many years. They still do it with alignment tools and know-how. I have never had any problem with cars aligned by this alignment shop.

    When I mention the tests from the national chains they just shrug their shoulders and laugh. They say that anyone can buy one of these systems, hire some young kid off of the street and train them to operate the machine. They also say what you say in that the computerized machines are only as good as its last calibration, which in most cases are too few and too far between.

    Dwight
     
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    Does anyone know a good autocross alignment spec for the Prius?

    Mike
     
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    Yeah i don't trust the big chains to align my cars. They have the computers, but it's usually accompanied by a kid that knows how to operate computers but not know how to align a car.

    For example, I took my S2000 to Firestone because it wsa pulling, after alignment, it did not pull, BUT the FREAKING steering wheel was about 10-15 degrees off center. Wth!!!

    I went to a brake and alignment shop the forums recommended. They did it right. I've been going there ever since.
     
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    Thanks for the advice. Very eye opening.

    Jeff
     
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    Sure do hehehehe. Do you plan on running r comps or street tires?
     
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    I have to get a set of wheels for the sticky tires as I wouldn't run stickies on the street. It's been many years since I ran autocross but now that my Prius is coming in with the TRD suspension, I would like to run some stock class's :)

    Mike
     
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    My neighbor, Jim, runs The Alignment Shop in Santa Fe, for the past 30 years. HE runs the rack, not somebody paid $15/hr. Independent tire shops also have much less turnover generally in their technician staff and are a good option.
     
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    Here's my alignment results after NF-210 spring install, done at the local dealership. I had a bit of toe-in on the front which they corrected. I've got even negative camber on both sides in the back, which should help cornering but cause some unusual tire wear (which I haven't seen). The spec range for camber is -0.22 +/- 0.75 deg to -1.48 +/- 0.5 deg for this vehicle:

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    Well, bad news. A trip to a third alignment rack confirms that the LR toe is way off-- about 0.35-0.40 depending on the day. Prior to the drop, my LR toe was already in the 0.20-0.24 range, so the drop resulted in an additional 0.10 or so. My RR toe was 0.10-0.15 before the drop, so even with the drop it is OK.

    I will be pulling the left-rear hub and installing one of those EZ-SHIMs and spacers next week.
     
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    Dark, your camber is fairly similar to mine on the rear and front-- in- spec. Though, you have almost no cross-camber in the front, which is great. I will probably need to put a camber bolt in my LF strut in order to reduce the cross-camber.

    I'm betting that your LR toe was previously about 0.10, and the drop increased it to what it is now. My RR toe was also affected much less than the LR.