plugless PHV driving stories

right, but you can drive totally hv when ev is depleted. then it's just like a regular prius except with a bigger battery and whatever else they threw into it.

 

After being aware that miracles exist and having Pip demonstrate this in the form of 999, 545, 213 MPG, I can accept only getting 69mpg, when my 2005 average was 45 Mpg.

 

You make it sounds like the ability to regen even when in HV mode means that it is not truly a pure HV mode and is doing a little EV like behavior. This is crazy. HV stands for Hybrid Vehicle. The hybrid part refers to a combination of ICE and electric motor driven by a battery charged by regenerate breaking and by the ICE. Generating electric energy is what hybrids do. That's why they are called hybrids. HV modes does generate use electricity and that doesn't make is EV.

 

Interpretation. In EV, the engine will never start, until EV charge is totally depleted. Agreed? However in HV, the energy source is totally dependent on certain factors. Gas pedal depression, charge still left in EV, terrain, load. The computers decide where the energy is coming from depending on the above factors plus many more? So if the car is at this moment using the EV CHARGE MILES, then it must be closer to EV mode than HV mode. I suppose a more accurate description is HSD.

 

You can easily force the engine to start in EV mode by simply turning on heater, or pressing heavily on the gas pedal. At that point, it's not in pure EV mode, but it's also not in your standard HV mode. In this in-between state, the engine is typically being ran at a lower load to provide extra power, but most of the power is being drawn from the battery. Various people have called it EV-BOOST, Super-HV mode, HV-enhanced mode, etc. This mode is indicated by the HSI showing a large outline of a car. In EV mode you have the same large outline of the car, but with the letters EV lit up inside in it. When you are in normal HV mode, you'll see a smaller outline of a car with another icon next to it that will light up with the letters ECO in it (indicating you are driving in a economical manner).

 

Thanks, I have not gone into that mode yet.

 

the point of the thread is: how does the phv perform when there is no electricity left in the battery from the wall, compared to a non plug in prius. "plugless phv driving stories". john 1701 can correct me, but i don't think it's about driving in hv while you still have wall charge left in the battery.

 

today, i got home from my fathers with no charge left. i didn't have time to charge so i did my work commute in hv. in my gen II, this was a 65 mpg commute. today: 16 miles, 80 mpg, 23 mph average, 86 degrees, high humidity, a/c set on 79 auto. (full disclosure, i took a back road on the way home. 20 mph, 1.2 miles on battery only. got the battery down to 3 bars.)

 

I think it would be better to state it as "How does the PiP perform when there is no EV range left, compared to a regular Prius". And I think the general consensus is that it performs very well.

 

No meter exist distinguishing between wall plug charge and charge while driving. Some sort of EV charge is always present.

 

No it isn't. We'll only have an idea when there's a lithium liftback to compare it with so we can separate the chemistry, capacity and weight.

 

2014? or 2015?

 

If you had no time the car would be at least partially warmed up. We'd need a warm-to-warm and cold-to-cold HV comparison.

 

2009 + 6 = 2015. Let's hope so. Then we'll really see how good the Ford hybrids are.

Of course, the real hope would be that lithium batteries are cheap enough that adding a plug is a no-brainer.

 

Can you ever see a day where they only offer a plug in version?

 

It's here, the Leaf, oh you mean Toyota? In the end all endevours direct toward the mean. In other words everybody follows the leader. ( ans. to post 116 )addution

 

Totally agree with this statement, this will be the proof of the pudding.

 

same is true for the regular prius. that's what makes it so interesting to compare.