Toyota "60 MPG" disclaimer:

Ditto!!!!

 

I suspect many drive it like a sportscar and expect economy mileage!

With a normal car that only gets 17MPG.. its very easy to fluctuate 3 MPG simply by how fast and aggressive you drive.

17 X 3 = 51..... So driving a prius that is capable of 51MPG similiarly like a sportscar and using high speeds... the 3 MPH becomes X 3 to equal 9MPH difference!

the more efficient a machine you run... the more dramatic will be the inefficient behaviors when factored in.

 

Well - I made the mistake of taking my 2004 with 20,000 miles in to Toyota dealer for recall "flash" of computer.

Now I get 34 to 39 mpg . . .down from around 45 mpg . . .

It's been back twice since and no problems found - dealer says that's normal . . .

Anyone have any ideas?

I'm ready to trade it in on a Honda . . .

 

This is ridiculous. Why is it that Toyota should put a warning on the car? Toyota's only problem was instanatious mpg display. Inept drivers would manage to drive a 30mpg capable car down to 10mpg: they would just never know it because those cars dont have MFDs!

 

did you test to see what the real mileage was when figuring by hand?... if its truly down, I would complain to toyota themselves and mention your lamo dealer.

 

Read this forum and you'll find that many folks are not getting that kind of mileage. You are at the high end of band and probably have close to ideal Prius conditions.

 

There is not a vehicle made that gets the EPA mileage. The EPA needs to come up with a new way to more accurately measure what mileage most consumers will get.

 

Damn. I guess I better go back and check my 15 months of data.

Unless you are talking about 70 F conditions -- then I would agree with you. In that case my ~ 70 mpg is WAY off EPA. Who should I complain to ?

 

Gas mileage in a Prius is like anything else, there's going to be a bell curve with some people way at the top (>60mpg), and others at the bottom, but the majority will be in the middle somewhere.

I agree that the EPA mileage should address more of an "average driving mix", not some idealized model that very few of us ever experience. More realistic numbers for all cars would be more useful, even if they are still only a standard for comparing car models against each other.

-Roger

 

RE: ADS.</span>

It's doubtful that everybody will actually read to the 5th page, but...

The original vote was on whether future Prius ads needed to have a "YMMV" statement tacked onto them. I picked the "Caveat Emptor" choice, but it really should have said something like:

<span style=\'color:blue\'>"Sure, add YMMV, but only do it when every other auto, motorcycle, boat, airplane, etc., company also puts YMMV in their ads."

As everybody has been stating here, all cars are subject to the EPA ratings. Guess what, all cars advertise their EPA mileage as standard on ads, too. Marketing is a cuthroat business. The only time you really want to advertise weakness is when your back is completely shielded (to keep knives from being stuck in it), you want to appear as a servant to the community, and you'll be guaranteed to make really big bucks off the ploy.

This thread is just the latest version of one copied for many years. In '04, I asked, "why on earth would a car company want to make that kind of wacko claim? They don't owe consumers honesty. They're a car company and they perform for their shareholders as any good car company would do."

Aerich the Rocket Scientist
Washington D.C.

 

YMMV disclaimer has always been on any EPA estimate