Gas in californina

If it weren't for CARB, we'd still have horrendous smog in the Los Angeles basin and be driving cars that got less than 15 MPG. I remember growing up in that environment. It sucked. The air is much cleaner these days.

Part of the problem with the lack of refineries is the NIMBYs who block a new refinery being built in their area. Nobody wants to live near a refinery these days.

 

no good deed goes unpunished when you consume less
U.S. hits record for distillate exports - Houston Chronicle

 

Will the gas guzzler owners take the hint ?

NAH

 

I filled up my tank last night at $5.19 per gallon. That is the most I have paid for a gallon of gasoline. It really sucks that I have to commute to the L.A. Live complex for the past couple of days.

 

CA is not self-sufficient re: water, elec, to some extent gaso. Water and elec is imported, gaso is made in CA but reluctantly and apparently not enough back-up. Owning a Prius is some huge protection; you can go get a great deal on a PiP right now, and that makes some sense as far as flexibility. But there is nothing quite like CA, the same geography/topography that holds in the smog, holds in the people, and keeps the market captive.

 

i don't feel a bit sorry for the a-holes that cry over filling their 17 mpg suv's.

actually i like to see them suffer for their stupidity of vehicle choice.

 

That's why I left CA! It's always something.

 

It was $4.25 on Monday near my house. By Friday, it was $4.75. As I pulled into the station to fill up (65 mpg on this tank), there was a new broadcast saying that owners of performance cars that require premium can fill with regular unleaded and it should be OK for their cars.

People don't want to live with the consequences of their choices. If you succumbed to the advertising of the powerful V6 engine that requires premium instead of the stock 4 cyl engine that took regular, welcome to the downside of your choice.

People don't like that. Funnily enough, the obesity problem in this country is because people want to have their cake and eat it too.

 

The way things are going, You will be driving a 1 cyl. car that gets 120 mpg. and all liquid fuels will cost $12./gal. I have thought for years as mpg goes up so will the price of fuel go up except you will now have a very clean sub bug clown car for the same price, corrected as your 400hp corvette, but you will have enough wind to play a tuba or be a politician.

 

Interesting gasbuddy map showing a sharp boundary limited to California. In the past refinery problems, you could see the heat map move across the state and through Oregon and Washington states. But this map is distinct to California and a Nevada county.

Good thing I'm not paranoid about market manipulation.

One question for our California friends, what are E85 prices?

Bob Wilson

 

That is why i have a LEAF. now we have a Volt owner on the LEAF site who posted a blurb from Onstar that Volts have driven 131 million miles including 81 million EV only miles. sounds impressive but the only thing i could see was another 50 million miles powered by gasoline...

 

can't remember the last time I saw an E85 station. Also, what cars take that? GM? Don't see too many of those here either.

 

Its a twelve step program for some ... I used .26 gallons a couple of days ago, after 700+ miles on EV.

 

I think the Volt is a great option and i am afraid that GM is most likely ruining the overall Volt stats. I know a Volt owner who just turned over 10,000 miles and is still on his original tank of gas.

he also told me that when he went in to say hi at the dealership, he was told they never plug the Volt in because they dont want to give anyone the impression that the Volt needed it. we both had a pretty good laugh over that one.

 

E85 prices in the Bay area

Alternative Fuel Fill Stations and Prices

 

LOL 4 stations, nice

 

Problem is that CA requires special formulations of fuel, which according to the media, few refineries outside CA produce. Unsure if the rest of the refineries are incapable of producing our blends or of its cost prohibitive for them to make it.

There aren't many E85 stations in the Bay Area. On Flex Fuel Station Finder | Ethanol Retailer, I put in the 95136 zip code, 25 miles and got only 5 hits.

Flex Fuel Vehicles | Ethanol Retailer has a list of FFVs. I do see some w/FFV badges, but compatibility is pretty darn useless in CA.

 

I note that when the petrol prices in the NE spiked after refiners shut down unprofitable plants there was little noise of conspiracy, environmental regulation intereference, or politics.

CA has a refinery shut down from a fire at a state wide transition stage to winter fuel, and our local axes to grind come to life.

 

There's no "shortage" or "maintenance problem" just oil companies with world wide oversupply creating artificial shortages to run up profits and try and influence elections in four weeks.

We see it every year, several times a year and especially in election years.