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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by tracysbeans, Jan 12, 2006.

  1. tracysbeans

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    Ken, Thanks for the info! I will check them out. So what is this I hear about putting seat covers on will hurt your orginal seats if you ever take them off? This concerns me because GT covers said their cushions fit like a glove and can leave impressions.

    I just want black fabric seat covers. A solid black. No tints of white or anything.

    Is that what they have? I also checked out Toyota Parts store but they had NO phone # and I e-mailed them through there contact page 2 days ago and haven't heard a word back from them.
     
  2. Kiloran

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    Yep. I understand the author represents the district that includes Flint, MI.
     
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    Ok I guess I was mistaken on what the tax credit was about. Didn't do enough research on it.

    I swear ALL is good with me. I just wanted to vent.

    I did my complaining and now I just want to forget about the tax credit and start enjoying my car.

    I hope nobody is mad because I vented. I just though some of you would understand my frustration. I was just looking forward to getting the tax credit. That's all.

    I think all my issues are resolved and I can move over to the FUN side now ;)
     
  4. tracysbeans

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    Nah! I think I will keep it. I did think about selling it and buying one with darker seats but I wouldn't want to be in a waiting for a car situation again.

    I DO know where there is a car exactly like mine though. I can give you that info!

    Tracy
     
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    It's ok to vent. :)

    Now enjoy your new car!!

    Ken
     
  6. Kiloran

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    No problem.
    I still hope it will turn out that you get the credit.
     
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    Tracy,

    I think the reason that the tax break is not available for you is inherent to how AMT works, not necessarily the hybrid credit itself. AMT was originally designed to make sure that the uber-rich didn't find a way to finegel there way out of paying any taxes. So the AMT is exactly what is says, the MINIMUM amount of taxes you can get a way with based on your income. If you itemize your taxes, include in an extra $3150 tax credit, and you go below the AMT value, well, you can't pay less the AMT!

    Now, I've read a few things stating that you can take PART of the tax credit if you are hit with AMT, but to be honest, that's just hearsay at this point, and I'd verify that with your tax accountant. Maybe even get a second opinion as well. Your accountant, by your description of your situation may be, well, just a tad flaky.

    Thant being said, I agree that the AMT laws need a major revision. I read that starting in 2007, individuals making around $70000 may get hit by AMT. Maybe that's a kings ransom if you live in rural Arkansas, but if you live in a major metropolitan area such as DC, LA, NY, Phily,etc, that's really not a huge sum of money. Yup, that would put you firmly in the middle class, no doubt about it, but this law was designed to affect the VERY affluent, not middle class folks.

    All the government really needs to do is just retroactively index the AMT to inflation, and that should probably fix the problem.

    Peace,
    Cosmo
     
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    Me too. It is up in the air at this point. I will hope for it BUT not count on it. If I do get it I will have to PARTY!!! B)

    Thanks for listening to me vent. I just wanted to get that over with and be done with it. It helps to be able to vent with other who can understand.
     
  9. Kiloran

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    The credit will definitely NOT reduce your tax liability below your AMT.

    Page 1419, beginning with line 17 of the Energy Policy Act of 2005.

    "(2) Personal credit.-The credit allowed under subsection (a) (after the application of paragraph (1)) for any taxable year shall not exceed the excess (if any) of -
    "(A) the regular tax reduced by the sum of the credits allowable under subpart A and sections 27 and 30, over
    "(B) the tentative minimum tax for the taxable year.

    Tax Credit and Tax bracket
     
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    Well actually they are saying they don't know for sure at this point. They are only going by what they have read on the internet. They need to research the government documents when they are available to see. So they are basically saying they can't give me a definate answer yet.

    I'm sure I won't get it. I can see why some people cheat on their taxes. I just can't do that. I like to stay on the straight and narrow. I think IF I got audited they would find they owe ME money back not vice versa.

    If I had it MY way we would go to a National sales tax and eliminate income taxes. I sit and work my nice person off for the government to sit their nice person on a $500 toliet seat. (I guess I need to find some political boards to vent further about this LOL)
     
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    This brings me back to an earlier example of federal taxes under a certain income. The government has designed a way to make sure the well to do cannot reduce their taxes to zero. The government also has designed a way for the non well to do to reduce their federal taxes into the negative (earned income credit). By negative, I mean getting back more than you paid.

    All hail class politics.
     
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    I was not insinuating that it would. But based on you quote from the Energy act, it MAY work like this:

    Lets say, based on your income, your AMT is set at $10,000. After you do all your tax calculations with the exception of the hybrid credit, you owe Uncle Sam $12,000. Now you add in a Hybrid tax credit of $3000, which would take you to below the AMT value. You still owe the Government 10K, so the hybrid tax credit is $2000 in that case. Quite possibly it's obvious whether that is the case or not, but I just ain't seein' it. I have trouble reading legalese at times.

    Peace,
    Cosmo

    Oh yeah, I hate to say this, I by no means wish to trivialize Tracy's situation, but considering I grew up poor enought that we had to worry about having a roof over our head at times, I'm just NOT feeling your pain. Sorry, I just have to add in my two cents, don't mean to be rude.
     
  13. Kiloran

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    As your smallest AMT is $0 and the tax credit cannot reduce your tax liability below your AMT, it therefore cannot bring your tax liability negative.
     
  14. Kiloran

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    Thanks for your clarification.
    The situation you present is correct.
    The credit can reduce your tax liability to your AMT giving you, in effect, a partial credit benefit. B)
     
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    Ummm I grew up dirt poor with a single mother who had 5 kids to take care of after my dad kicked the shit out of her TO much. I didn't get ANYTHING.

    I then went on to become a single mom myself (by accident) and lived on welfare for several years while getting myself through a tech school to learn a trade. I was dirt poor. I shopped at rummages sales. I scrapped and clawed my way through school and onto working practically 24/7 to make it by working at hotels. I always had to work to jobs just to make it.

    Then I slowly but surley got to were I am today. So I am upset with what you said because I worked hard to get where I'm in a nice postion now. I'm proud of where I have gone with my financial life. I could have just sat back and stayed on welfare. It was much easier doing that.

    I'm a hard working person. I love what I do so I have fun with it. BUT why shouldn't I get the credit? Why should I work hard and be penalized for it? I'm doing you ALL a favor by being where I am.

    Uggg! I can never win. Only in MY mind!
     
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    So maybe I can get part of it.....I hope!
     
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    Best of luck! :D
     
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    You might try deferring income somehow, at least until next year. You might even be able to work something out with your employer. I'm an accountant, though my knowledge of individual taxes (outside my own) and especially the AMT is minimal. Deferrals are your best bet, but you might also try checking out some deductions. Charitable contributions are always a plus.
     
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    I'm self employed so no employer to talk to. I do make charitable contributions of goods ocasionally but not enough to make any difference.
     
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    Not to get picayune or anything, but:

    You make too much money and your father kick your mother about too much. When I grew up we we're so poor we had to use Hamburger Helper Helper. See the difference?