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New 12vlt Battery and Display is now dead

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by r3meyer, Oct 8, 2012.

  1. PriusCamper

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    Have you had any problems with your keys? Have you tried all sets of keys? What's the status of the blinking red light related to your key both before you insert key and after you insert and try to start?

    Your symptoms sound a bit similar to what I experience when trying to start a Prius with the wrong keys...
     
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    Since you can push the POWER button and see a response, the immobilizer ECU is not the problem. If that was a problem then it wouldn't matter how much you push the POWER button: nothing would happen - the POWER button LED would not light, there would be no beep and no flashing CEL.
     
  3. r3meyer

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    I can oddly enough use the unlock and alarm button, but the lock button does not work on the fob.
     
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    Any other warning signs? Was there a decline in MPG? Was your HV battery charge significantly low before this problem came up?

    Could someone else have hooked up your battery in reverse polarity or botched a jumpstart when your weren't around to notice?
     
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    This was a car I picked up with a salvage Title. So as far as driving goes, I took it from a lot where it sat for 6 months, gave it a boost and drove it home. This is a project car. When I did drive it the screen showed bars climbing from none, up to green before I got it to my shop. I replaced the battery and it was done correctly. Is there a computer I can replace that would cause this to happen? Parts are plentiful. What would have been damaged if the voltage was hooked up wrong anyways?
     
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    Why the heck didn't you mention its a salvage? That's a whole 'nother deal $$$$.

    Tow it to the dealer and get a written copy of all the codes it throws especially the ending suffixes. Report back here.
    Dealer diag for the codes is $125.

    When you report back give us detailed description of why its a salvage.
     
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    Will do, waiting on some already known parts I need to show up and then I will take it down there.
     
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    Was any work performed to it between you driving it and now? If so, what was done? I would see if you can get any response out of a generic OBD II scanner before taking it to a dealer.
     
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    If you have a laptop, and can wait a little bit, I suggest to get one of the "mini vci" units from eBay. ~ $30. It will scan the GenII just fine.
     
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    After unplugging the battery for a while, I can get the start button to go green like its in ACC mode with the key in. I still have no dash lights or monitor. This is normally where I could get my scanner to read and pull codes but I cant even get that. What computer controls this part? I suspect that is where my issue is. Starting to think i fried it.
     
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    Could not agree with you more. How can someone ask for information and not say it the car is salvage.
     
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    If the battery voltage is reversed you can damage some of the sensitive electronic equipment such as the Inverter. Others can give you a more complete list of other possible failure components.
     
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    It was working just fine. Had issues unrelated to this that are easily repairable by me. This JUST happend. I drove it home from the lot 50+ miles. It was a Salvage/Restore meaning its been fixed. (or at least to some extent) It was restored in 2010 and driven as such the last 2 years. I am trying to find what could have caused this part of the malfunction. I can count on 1 hand how many times in my life I have had to take any vehicle to a dealer and those times were all when they were under warranty. I am was ASE certified and worked in a garage as a younger guy. I am just looking for ideas here on where to start. Most garages just swap parts until the problem goes away when it comes to electrical.

    A scanner is not even going to hook up to this car now in the state that is. <------ What module or computer controls this part.
     
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    Check with an ohm meter the IGCT relay and IG2 relay both in the fuse box under the hood. Check by powering the coils with 12 volts and the ohm meter across the contacts.
     
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    Will do and report back.
     
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    Apologies for people freaking out about your salvage issue... But it's true that people have spent $10k on a salvage Prius that ran fine for a week or two but then required $10k of repairs and those are terrifying numbers to someone who is not a mechanic.... I once read about an unemployed single mom this happened to on here once. Totally tragic! The guy who sold her the car could not be found by the cops either!

    Is there any way you can figure out what the salvage damage was and who made the repairs? That'd answer some questions you might have...

    I suspect some of the most knowledgeable Prius owners on PriusChat know the step by step sequence of how the car's electrical components come on line once the start button is hit and obviously the problem is with some of the very first components to start up. If it was a windows computer you could just boot up in safe mode with command line prompt and watch each systems initialize until it shows the one that it gets stuck on. Wish cars were designed that way, of course the dealerships would go broke if it was that easy...

    you need to figure out the specific search terms to find that info on here but here's a link to the best tricks available to dig through the knowledge base on here: How to Search Google Like a Pro: 11 Tricks You Have to Know - How-To Geek
     
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    No I completely understand. Forums have all sorts of different folks and thats why I use them to solve problems. Whats greek to one person, is a daily thing for another. Its all big and scary when you dont have answers. Troubleshooting is half the fun in my book.
     
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    No one's freaking out...just would have been nice to know and also nice to know the OP is SAE cert. That sure helps.
    And its a pretty easy car to troubleshoot we do it all the time on line here.

    Now we know it has sat on a lot for 6 months on top of being a salvage. Thats bad.
    Even though the OP was able to drive away that storage was not kind to the Hybrid Battery for future reference.
    I bet at the minimum it's throwing module balance delta codes.

    Our Windows Command line is the car CEL codes. Give us the codes...all of them exactly as thrown and we will come real close to whats wrong with it.
     
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    The OP is saying that the car is not powering up enough to provide CEL codes... And because OP was once ASE certified I'm pretty sure that they've done everything possible to read CEL codes and it's not possible? Is that true? Please confirm?
     
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    Just because the dash is not showing codes does not necessarily mean the car is not storing codes. Has to be interrogated by TS software.
     
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