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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by SteveLee, Oct 30, 2012.

  1. SteveLee

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    I've seen others posting about how well the car glides or coasts. I've noticed when I let off the accelerator there is a noticeable deceleration, more so than non-hybrids I've had. I assumed it was from the regeneration of electricity. But after hearing others talk about the great gliding in this car, I wonder. My brakes are also very sensitive. Does this sound normal or might my brakes be adjusted too tight?
     
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    It sounds normal. What you are looking for in gliding is the "no arrows glide", which means no regen or motive power is displayed on the MFD. It takes the slightest of pressure on the accelerator to access this mode, and it can be hard to find under certain circumstances, like low battery SOC. Easiest is around 30mph with 6 or more bars on the display.

    That said, I do seem to notice a difference in how the car glides at various times, especially when hot. Some have said that the brakes may need to be bled to release possible air that expands and causes slight brake drag. I am not sure yet, and it could also be just illusion. I drive in a hilly area and sometimes what seems level is actually slightly uphill. Still observing.

    The brakes are sensitive, but initially that is regen braking, transitioning to friction, so not necessarily a symptom.
     
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    Ok, good. Thanks for the clarification on gliding. I am glad to hear this level of deceleration is normal. I thought it was at first but then decided I better ask. Thanks for the help.
     
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    In most modern passenger cars, there is no such thing as manual brake adjustment... only parking brake adjustment. Modern disc brakes are self-adjusting; as your pads wear, the calipers automatically move to where they need to be for optimal braking. It's not rocket science, it's just a little rubber grommet that holds the calipers in place, and retracts them ever so slightly once you take your foot off the pedal.

    So unless you're driving around with the parking brake on, the brakes aren't the problem.
     
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    This could also be an illusion in part.

    It could be that you are reducing your acceleration, rather than decelerating. Think of a plane accelerating down a runway, you are pulled back into your chair, the plane reaches its desired speed, you ease back into your chair. You are going no slower (or decelerating), but the sensation of acceleration has passed.

    This is particularly relevant given that you go on to mention "gliding" - as finding the 'sweet spot' often depends on traffic, weather, battery charge and general road conditions. I find that maximizing the benefit of this is an art in itself, as I'm sure many would testify.
     
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    Am I wrong in thinking the rear brakes of my 05 are drum brakes and can be manually adjusted so the shoes are scrubbing against the drums? At least that was my thinking at the time I originally posted this. But I am relatively sure at this point, based on responses I have gotten, that there really is no problem here. Just getting used to the quicker slowing down after removing my foot from the accelerator. Thanks.
     
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    I didn't mean deceleration to mean not accelerating, but to mean slowing down. But that's a good catch since it could mean either. In my use of the word "gliding", I was wrong. I used it to mean when I was coasting, with foot off the accelerator. With the Prius and in this forum I see there is another meaning I wasn't aware of at the time. But since it has been pointed out to me, I have noticed a few times when there are no arrows showing on the graphic of the MFD, presumably indicating no energy is being used to propel or generate electricity. I haven't gotten the hang of this state yet.

    On another note, during the day yesterday riding in the country I noticed at 55mph I am averaging about 55 MPG and at 45mph I averaging 65 MPG. I have never loved going 45mph so much in my life. And for the first time I saw the bars covering most of the screen. It's like a video game that I'm getting better at.

    One conclusion I have come to is that it should be mandatory for every car to have a MPG readout on the dash. Because it will change driving habits.
     
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    You have drum brakes on the rear of your 2005 prius. They are auto adjusting, but could have been set to tight or auto adjusted too tight. You can easily check this by jacking the rear wheel off of the ground and spinning the wheel. If there is significant drag you have a problem. My rear wheels spin with little resistance and the drums can easily be pulled off of the axle. (disconnect all power before removing drums or discs). You can manually adjust the brakes so they barely contact the drums by turning the star wheel at the top of the brakes.
     
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    Not to worry ! It's all semantics.

    You are certainly right in what you say regarding coasting. Personally, I found when I first got the Prius I "tried" too hard to apply all information I could and this over complicated how I drove which impacted upon MPG. I'd advise you read up on the practical advice across the forum - but then apply it to how you will use your car and the conditions you encounter. You will get the hang of it, and how to maximise it on your local roads and optimise for motorway driving.

    I can completely understand what you're saying about the average MPG rising. The secret is, as you wisely point out, adapting your driving style to be easier on the gas and to make the most of the energy you've already accrued.
     
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    Ok, that's a good common sense approach. Thanks.
     
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    One other thing to check: be sure the car is shifted to "D", not "B". "D" is for all normal driving. "B" is only to save the brakes when coming down a mountain.