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Camry Hybrid Gained EPA 10 MPG City from 1st to 2nd Gen, 2011 to 2012?

Discussion in 'Toyota Hybrids and EVs' started by cycledrum, Jan 16, 2013.

  1. cycledrum

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    From what I've seen, Camry Hybrid has a 33 city / 35 Hwy EPA estimate for 2011 model year, last year of its 1st gen. 2nd gen CH LE, 2012+ now has 43 city / 39 hwy. All this while going from 187 to 200 HP (and losing a couple hundred lbs).

    Fuelly also showing Camry Hybrid gained solid 4 MPG average from 1st to 2nd gen.

    Impressive.
     
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    i can't wait to try one to see real world improvement over our 08!
     
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    I have a 2012 TCH XLE. Those EPA numbers are pretty accurate in the warmer weather. Last June I made a trip from PA to Maine and averaged 44 MPG.
     
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    that's excellent. i estimate the 08 would do around 40mpg.
     
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    I would like to do some official hybrid car tax "penalty" calcs to discuss with politicians in Virginia.
    I am thinking to complare: 2012 CAMRY Hybrid vs. non-hybrid trim 2012 CAMRY.

    Does this make sense? Does anyone have a feel for the trim versions I should compare in order to show how much extra the Hybrid costs? Then I need to ask someone in the local gov't to estimate annual property tax difference each year for both vehicles say 5 years out.
     
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    I thought the 31 MPG city might have been for the XLE model, but .gov site doesn't specify. I vaguely recall seeing 33 MPG for what might be LE (?) model, but not sure. Still, the gains made with Camry hybrid are impressive.

    It's a $3.4k cost diff between LE gas only to LE hybrid, but 28 avg to 41 is a nice jump!
     
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    The only calculations that you really need is F=MA.
    M = How heavy is the brick with the word "IDIOT" painted on it, it has less letters than Politician, and it will get your point across succinctly!
    A = How hard you loft said brick, and the trajectory angle.
    F = How much you really need to emphasize your point of view!
    :cool:
     
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    ...so I think possibly 20% after 5 years, so 0.2 x $ 3400 = $680 extra tax on a hybrid CAMRY (sales + property tax). Meanwhile the Hybrid CAMRY "robs" the state out of $28 per year less gasoline tax to the state at the pump, or $28x5 = $140 tax loss to state.

    So VA state makes maybe ~$700 more in sales+prop tax on CAMRY hybrid.
    But the state is upset that the CAMRY hybrid driver saves $140 in gaso tax over 5 years.
    So to fix this the idea is charge $500 more to the hybrid driver ($100/year).
    So now the hybrid driver is paying $700+$500 = +$1200 more taxes (but saves $140 due to less gaso tax)
     
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    In this video, Toyota rep explains how Camry hybrid gained so much from 2011 to 2012 -

     
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    134 or 200? .044 or .058? 9.8 or 7.8? noisier or quieter? 2 or 2.44 GP100M? $25k or $27k?

    the latter, not going to worry about 2/3 cup of extra gas every 10 miles, geez.