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2007 Prius Won't Start, Battery Seems OK, Was Recently in Fender Bender?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by bengarland, Jan 22, 2013.

  1. bengarland

    bengarland Junior Member

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    Asking for a friend:

    Her 2007 Prius was recently rear ended. Rear bumper replaced. Got car back, worked fine for a couple days. Then wouldn't start. Battery showed 12.5 v with a meter. No sign of life at all: Interior lights won't come on, car won't unlock with fob, no headlights, nothing. However, it will start if jumped. Plus she got a new battery and it STILL won't start.

    To me it sounds like something between the battery and whatever it connects to got disconnected. We checked the fuses on the battery terminal, they look good. And like I said it starts when jumped. BUT the jump points are in the front of the car, and the battery is in the rear. So, could it be that the battery is disconnected somewhere, but the jump points get the electricity to the start computer just fine?

    If so, what does the other end of the battery cable connect to, and what could have gotten disconnected? What else should we check?

    Thanks!
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    My guess is the ground terminal (-) from the battery to the frame wasn't tightened by the repair facility and it took three days to come loose.
     
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    I checked it and it seemed tight...
     
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    just to clarify: both at the battery and at the the frame?
     
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    Yes, both places. I will check again later just to be sure.
     
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    Give the battery an overnight trickle charge and see how it works in the morning.... Also contact the person you bought the battery from and see how long it's been since they topped off the battery you bought. I have read on here about people buying a battery that turned out bad, especially if you bought an Optima Yellowtop, those batteries are total crap!
     
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    I'm assuming too that if I put the voltmeter red lead on the + terminal and the black lead on the frame and it reads 12v then it is correctly connected, no?
     
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    Hrmmm... I think she may have bought an Optima... I will ask.
     
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    Is the 12v battery new or a survivor from the wreck? If the latter, it could be suspect. A plate(s) inside may have become dislodged in the impact. A (free) load test at an auto parts store would be in order as the voltage reading at the posts doesn't always tell all.
     
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    Once you find out let us know... Optima owners love to persecute people who think Optima's are bad and if this turns out to be the problem we'd like it to be yet another feather in our anti-optima cap.
     
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    Maybe. These situations need to be tested under load. Use this test:
    Weird stuff happening? MPGs dropping? Test The Battery | PriusChat
    and report back what the results are.
     
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    When I got rear ended in my 2007 Prius, it caused $5800 dollars of damage.
    The estimate was very low, but once they took off the bumper, then they realized there were more damage.
    Also, the battery is located at the back of the car.
    Sounds like your battery is not charging.
     
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    Pry the red plastic cover off the positive terminal and check that the two wires are securely plugged in. You could also unplug the larger wire and check for voltage at that point. If no voltage, then the 120 amp fuse is bad.
     
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    She says it's not an Optima battery, but didn't tell me what other brand it is. We checked the 120A and 5A fuses at the + terminal, they both look fine.

    One question: Let's say the 12v batter is the problem. Like it's not fully charged and wouldn't pass a load test, but would show 12.5 v on a voltmeter. And that maybe this wouldn't be sufficient to start the car computer. Would the interior lights still come on? Or the headlights? (Even if very dim?).

    I'm just wondering because her car shows NO sign of life at all. But since there are so many computers I'm wondering if there is some threshold of volts/amps that it needs to even switch on the interior lights? Because in a regular car even with a battery that isn't good enough to start the car, at least the interior lights will come on... how does it work in the Prius?

    She's taking it back to the mechanic who fixed it after the wreck. I'll update when she finds out what the real problem is.
     
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    I've read on here that the battery needs at least 12.3 volts when the car is in diagnostics mode... But if your car won't start at all with a 12.5 charge that might be a different problem... I assume the mechanic/body shop person is gonna inspect everything that they did to make the repairs and then consult others.

    Did the repairs require any electrical welding? I've read on here that this kind of welding can screw up some of the car's computers.

    You might want to give the mechanic the link to this thread? It's possible they could offer some new information to the discussion and some of the folks on Prius Chat are leaders in diagnostics for this vehicle. Maybe we can all work together to solve this problem so it doesn't end up costing any of the parties involved too much money.
     
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    Interested in the outcome.
     
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    i've started the car with much less voltage than listed above.

    two things i can think of.. there is a white fuse of sorts on top of the battery.. check that.

    then go under the hood and check on the fuses and hard wired fuses on the right hand side. if you flip the lid over, it tells you what everything is.

    just my .02

    btw, if i recall correctly, those jumpers in the front bypass ignition... i did a lot of 12v battery improving back a hand full of years ago when my 12v first died. i left a jumperbox hooked up to those terminals so i wouldn't loose settings as i took out the battery for a good charge (didn't help.. i did it too late)... anywho... if i recall correctly, the car doesn't turn off if power is supplied to those terminals.

    i guess in the end it's non related... just a random bit of info.
     
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    Turns out the body shop did two things, both affecting the negative terminal ground. First, they painted over the part of the frame that the negative terminal connects to. Then, they used a non-conducting bolt (screw?) to attach it to the frame. Easy fix, had I known someone was dumb enough to do not one but two things to the ground! I bet they never make that mistake again.
     
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    Happy it was resolved to your satisfaction. Funny that them being in the body shop business and after so any repairs one would think they would not make that mistake.
     
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    My initial suspicion of an improper ground was correct but I would have never thought about an improper bolt or paint as the cause. Glad it was an easy fix nor expensive!