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NAPA filters -- New Quality Concern?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by cyberpriusII, Feb 12, 2013.

  1. cyberpriusII

    cyberpriusII Prodigyplace says I'm Super Kris

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    So, the meeces decided to warm their little bones and somehow got into my vent system and built one of their cute little nests atop my cabin filter -- meanwhile peeing and pooping away into the fiber filter....

    Bought a replacement NAPA ProSelect -- been buying these for awhile -- maybe five or six of them in the past couple of years. Model Number 224875. Latest Price was $8.13 including tax, license and destination charges.

    The new filter, which I just installed about 90 minutes ago, LOOKS much less sturdy than the exact same line/model number NAPA filter it replaced. I say LOOKS. Obviously, I have no way to really test that. Weave is much looser. You can easily see through it. You could probably poke pins into the weave and not make any holes if you were careful about how you poked.

    The old filter was MUCH MUCH tighter looking and all and all was much more substantial.....don't know if that necessarily equates to a better filter.

    And, honestly, for the stupid cabin filter, it really does not matter that much. Just wondering if there have been any changes in the other filters -- oil, etc. Are the ProSelects of today the same as a year ago? How about the Gold line? The Silver line.

    Makes me a bit concerned. Still stamped on the box as made by Affinia, Gaston, NC.
     
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    I've found some carbon infused air filters for air conditioners at a thrift store and used two layers of 'em and was disappointed. Was also bummed in the basic paper filter the car had in it when I bought car a year ago. You need carbon in your filter if you really want to filter the smells.

    The one that worked the best and could make a cabin that filled with diesel fumes smell like fresh air in 20 seconds with the fan on high is the one I bought on ebay for $14 bucks (includes shipping). I've had enough with experimenting, I'm gonna stick with those from now on.

    Here's the link to it if you're interested: 04 05 06 07 08 09 Toyota Prius Carbon Cabin Filter | eBay
     
  3. cyberpriusII

    cyberpriusII Prodigyplace says I'm Super Kris

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    I really would rather not even have a cabin filter at all. The only benefit is that it keeps the mice out of the fan, so I don't get random pieces of meeces flying out at me (used to happen in my Corolla when the mice nested in the blower and then I got in and turned on the heat).

    Again, all-in-all, I am just wondering if the rest of the NAPA line has taken a step down in quality, since I mostly use NAPA PROSELECT oil filters and I am due for an oil change in a couple of weeks....Maybe I should switch to Purolator?
     
  4. ETC(SS)

    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Normally...I don't use my CAF, and there have been loooooooooooong and very nasty debates about this filter versus that one.
    Usually these 'discussions' are data rich but fact poor.

    If it were "my" car....I'd do about three things:

    * Keep the $8 filter installed and get price quotes on an OEM replacement filter(s) online. You may want to see if some of the Gucci 'designer' companies make CAFs (K&N, Amsoil Ea, etc...) They won't be orders of magnitude better than the stock filter or the NAPA, but if you suffer from respiratory ailments they may be worth the extra cabbage (to you.)
    If you don't want to wade through all of the daffy opinions....just stick with the OEM filters, especially with oil filters.
    If you're like me and would rather ride with the window partially open?
    Any CAF filter will do.
    PS...some of the more militant hypermilers out there will probably (loudly) remind you that open windows reduce mileage. This is why some of them are the way that they are...because if you're not willing to open the windows every now and again you're better off just taking the bus.
    One last thing about air filters. DO NOT use an oily piece of gauze in place of an (engine) air filter!! It won't make your car any faster...or any more efficient.
    K&N sells them for about $50, and it's proof positive that PT Barnum was right.
    If you have a 6.2 liter LS-9 motor?
    Maybe.....

    * See if there's a way on the upstream side of the cabin air intake to install a metal screen to (help) keep the little mieces out. Make sure that it's metal, or you'll just be providing them another plastic chew toy to play with.

    * Get some glue traps or some hungry cats (or both.)

    Me? I have both. The mieces that get past the cat get stuck in the trap. You can take a pair of pliers and pull them off and give them to the cat. (Sometimes their little feet will stay on the trap, but this doesn't seem to reduce its effectiveness :) )

    Good Luck with the mieces and the filter!
     
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    That's crazy talk... Or maybe you're a cigarette smoker and have convinced yourself clean air doesn't matter?

    Fine particulate is the biggest cause of lung disease and is a significant cause of heart disease. Vehicle cabin air intakes are exposed to these particulates at a much greater level than any other exposure source because they are in the path of diesel exhaust on roads and highways. Especially at risk are the elderly, as well as young children who can very easily develop asthma. Do you ever give rides to kids or elders?

    Also according to the EPA: "Even healthy people may experience temporary symptoms from exposure to an elevated level of particles. Symptoms may include irritation of the eyes, nose and throat; coughing; phlegm; chest tightness; and shortness of breath." Health Effects of Fine Particles and Smoke

     
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    cyberpriusII Prodigyplace says I'm Super Kris

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    PriusCamper: I appreciate your concern, but I don't share it for a number of reasons. Most of us drive with windows down at some point....and I could go on, but that would be off-topic. If you want to discuss it, probably best to start a new thread.

    Anyway, to get back to point, my MAIN CONCERN is if anyone else has noted anything in the NAPA line. Seriously. I know most of you live where you can buy filters on every other street, but I have the local NAPA and the local CARQUEST dealers....and after that it is a LOOOOONNNNGGG drive to anyone else.
     
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    As far as engine filters go, I change plenty of them. I remove aftermarket, junk filters all the time. I see fuzz coming off of air filters all of the time which is not something we want getting into an engine. I only use genuine Toyota air and oil filters on my customers cars. I guarantee you can't go wrong with them.

    As far as cabin filters go, you can almost see through the genuine Toyota ones used on Prii. On those I see nothing wrong with aftermarket ones and can tell you from experience the charcoal ones are worth it. My understanding is that rodents do not like charcoal. If this is true, charcoal filters might help with your problem.

    If I were you, I'd consider ordering them online and having them delivered to you.


    Avi
     
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    I am glad to hear that you are recommending the charcoal filters. That makes me feel a lot better about my recent choice and purchase of the cabin filter that is being used in our Prius.

    Ron
     
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    cyberpriusII Prodigyplace says I'm Super Kris

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    Yeah, that's it...I'm going to pay $25 for the Toyota filter -- plus drive the 40 miles to give my cash to those pirates. :p

    And, charcoal....why do I want my car to smell like my Weber grill?:ROFLMAO:

    I rubbed the new filter all over my black Lab before I put it in. Hopefully, the dog smell will keep the mice away. I don't mind "dog." It beats mice or charcoal.(y)
     
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    Prius Camper furnished you a link to a good quality filter for a very reasonable price. Activated Charcoal is well known for it's removal of odor's and impurites. However, in your case I suggest you buy the cheapest thing you can get.

    FYI, Activated Charcoal does not have a smell. It does however drastically improve the air quality inside the cabin IMO. The filter that Prius Camper and I suggested utilizes Activated Charcoal. It is imbedded within the paper element of the filter.

    Ron
     
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    It's sad when you must choose between dog, mice and charcoal scents. I prefer "none of the above".

    Why not buy the Toyota filter from one of the dealers that sell online, then you don't have to drive to visit your local pirates. Since you do your own oil changes, I am sure you can think of filters and other items to place on the order to make the shipping charge worthwhile.
     
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    cyberpriusII Prodigyplace says I'm Super Kris

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    Realize that some of what I spout is more "joking" than actual fact. I use charcoal (activated) quite extensively in my lab work and am privy to it's properties (and it's good for use in privies:ROFLMAO: ).

    I pulled the cabin filter at daybreak this morning to see if any more Mickeys or Minnies had appeared -- but all clear. In doing so, I looked again at the new filter. The weave is slighty tighter than I originally posted -- a pin could easily go through, but you would have to make a hole through the weave.

    Also checked the vehicle air filter in the engine compartment -- no mice in there. A couple of years back they were storing Cheerios in there....And that box has charcoal filtration.

    Anyway, as mentioned the new NAPA is certainly fine for my purposes as a Cabin Filter -- again -- just wondering if they have made modifications in other filters? Maybe I'll post at that Bob Oil guy site.
     
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    I love it... Someone gives you a way to discourage the mice and I give you a link to that way in a $14 price that will also protect the long term health of your lungs and keep the air in your car smelling fresh and clean and it's all rejected with a claim that your car will smell like a barbeque. Seriously?

    Kinda reminds me of the thread where you decided not to install the simple metal screen in your air intake to keep mice out, or my suggestion of bringing a towel with you to dry off window condensation so you don't waste gas using your fan and A/C and you said no way because the towel in the car will attract mice.

    You sure are good at making everyone who's trying to be helpful feel disrespected.... I think I'll refrain from participating in your threads from now on. It's not worth the effort.

    Happy mice breeding... They'll love the smell of your dog... Maybe get a snake to feed all the mice too?
     
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    cyberpriusII Prodigyplace says I'm Super Kris

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    PriusCamper, can see why you might feel this way...but I do have a quirky sense of humor, as I mentioned earlier in this post. It just does not come across well online....sorry for any issues...:X3:

    Part of it probably is related to being a woman posting on a mostly male board. I still feel out-of-place, although, that is just me I am sure.

    And while I hate taking threads off-topic :whistle:

    1) I would REALLY love to put hardware screen on all access points, but it is really beyond my skill level. Patrick has told me several times to just do it, but ....

    You know, a couple of years ago, I needed pointers on how to remove the cabin filter.

    So I've looked at the screening-off instructions several times, but I am afraid I will end up with the car in pieces, my husband laughing.

    2) I was just joking about not using a towel. I actually use one at times. Problem is that I take it out to dry it and then forget to put it back into the car. I tried keeping two of them in the car, but then I just use them both for various things.

    3) I really don't agree about needing a beefed-up cabin filter. Sorry, I just don't think they are necessary. Most of my driving is done in the backcountry. Open roads, open windows. Unless the rain is pouring down, my windows are usually open if the outside temp is above 40 degrees. If you can't grant me my little quirks....well...
    :notworthy: Kris
     
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    Is that laboratory or Labrador work?:D

    Rubbing the filter on your Lab gave me a good laugh, thanks.
     
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    cyberpriusII Prodigyplace says I'm Super Kris

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    You know, the lab was out wading in murky swampy water this evening with me (had to check some traps) and now she stinks....I was about to take her out for a bath....but you gave me an idea....how about I rub her down with charcoal??

    I will keep all informed on the effectiveness of "labrador-activated" cabin filters.
     
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    The procedure for installing a screen in the air intake seems pretty straight forward. Don't let fear of screwing up limit you, ever!

    To be safe, find a friend who's good with cars and feed 'em Pizza and beer while they watch you do it yourself without needing help. That way they'll be impressed with you and if something does go wrong they'll be their to help out. Oh, and if you have a 'funny' response to me trying to be helpful again, please don't... I'm at the end of my rope! :confused: