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2005 w/86k - what to look out for going forward?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Diotima, Feb 23, 2013.

  1. Diotima

    Diotima Junior Member

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    folks,

    I have a much beloved 2005 Prius with about 86,000 miles on her. I also have a 13 yo kid. Our m.o. with vehicles is to drive 'em until the wheels fall off, so I'm looking into the future for a best guess about whether my '05 will be a good teenager car (paid for, and hey, at least I know he won't be drag racing), or even a send-it-off-to-college car.

    The miles on the car are about even in terms of freeway vs. city. I'd say the first 60k were mostly freeway, but my driving for the past 2 years has been short, city hops of less than 20 miles RT. We've had no mechanical issues so far aside from replacing the original 12volt battery with the Optima model. She's been decently maintained, but not garaged and the SoCal sun means I'm looking at replacing the rubber exterior window seals and eventually the plastic spoiler-type handle thingy on the liftback. It's not cracked, but it looks ratty.

    My warranty on the traction battery ends in November of 2014, so I've got some time there. From what I've read re: longevity of the Prius, replacing the traction battery if it fails out of warranty is a far smarter decision than buying a new (even new/used) car. In fact, my obsesso reading here suggests I can reasonably expect another 80k to 100k out of this car (?).

    The decision point is whether to replace my '05 before the end of the hybrid battery warranty, which means I'd be passing the new vehicle to the kid in about 5 years and buying a second new vehicle for myself, or aggressively maintaining my '05 and passing that one to the kid. So two new cars in five years vs. one new car in five years. Can we afford two new cars in five years? Well, yes, esp. if we buy used, but I'd rather be putting that money in my 401k or the kid's college account.

    In three years, the '05 might not have 100k on it yet. I don't drive much, under 300 miles a month unless we take an out of town trip.

    I know there's no crystal ball, but you folks collectively have a lot better idea what I can expect in the next few years than I do myself.

    What say you? Keep her and see what happens, or replace in the next 12 - 14 months?

    Thanks!

    Dia
     
  2. Patrick Wong

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    Given the above, it is clear that you should "Keep her and see what happens" while building up the 401K and college fund.
     
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    Thanks, Patrick. Much appreciated. :)
     
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    JMD 2012 Prius 4 Solar Roof

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    I agree keep the car and fund the retirement fund.

    I suggest you review all the preventative maintenance again. The dealer may be able to print out your service records if you don't have a copy of your receipts.

    Replacing the transaxle fluid at 30,000 miles and very 60,000 miles thereafter may save you from that huge expense. If that was never done do it now. It costs about $100 at the dealer. Flush is not necessary just drain and fill.

    Have them do a multi point inspection. They can tell you the health of the traction battery.

    Other than that be sure to keep up with the maintenance. Your coming up on some big fluid changes, inverter fluid, antifreeze, brake fluid, etc. this will keep your car healthy. I believe the tune up is 120,000 miles so you got time.
     
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    Like you, I keep cars untill the repairs don't make economic sense anymore.

    Traction battery will go, just a matter of when. I looked up the cost of this item at Camelback Toyota: $2174.48 battery + $1350 core charge + ZERO shipping = $2,174.48 after the refund of the core charge. Don't know if you have to send the battery back to Camelback. If so, shipping would be expensive. Hopefully Toyota would allow you to return this core to any Toyota dealership for core credit? Something to look into.

    Not looking forward to this replacement cost either, but its actually not that bad when you look at cost per mile, esp if you get a lot of miles before requiring replacement:
    $2174/100k miles = $.0217/mile​
    $2174/150k miles = $.0144/mile​
    $2174/200k miles = $.0108/mile​
    $2174/250k miles = $.0086/mile​
    The other good news is that with so many Gen2 Prius' out there, I'm sure someone will make a knock off battery, if they haven't already. Hopefully it will be a quality replacement. Unfortunately figures above exclude labor costs which will vary depending on where you live and who you go to (dealer vs independent).

    Open this link in a new tab or window, and read post #12 (this was a Priuschat thread titled "any experince with AUTOBEYOURS?"). Some sound reasoning for getting a new battery over used, and this was comming from a mechanic who specializes in Prius.
     
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    Thanks, everyone! Your responses confirm my thinking. :)

    Does anyone have a dissenting opinion?
     
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    JMD 2012 Prius 4 Solar Roof

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    The only thing I can think of is how much time you have left in your working career. This scenario may not apply to you. Many near retirement workers may replace an old car with a New car and have It paid off prior to retirement. Others it is not an issue since retirement income is high and can support a car purchase. Many try and get the financing before they retire while there working.

    This scenario may not apply to you. Some enjoy the peace of mind of a New car and worry free motoring for many years. Some may wait for the Generation 4 Prius to be released in 2015 and be the early adopter.
     
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    Lucious Garage charges $420 (4/24/2012 posting) for a new traction battery install. Less than what I was expecting. Click the link to see the break down. Down the road may get cheaper as more Gen2 Priuses require this?

    Two good articles from Lucios Garage essentially regarding:
    True replacement cost now that we have a labor benchmark rate of $420 (which will probably go up in time).
    $2174 + $420 = $2594/100k miles = $.0259/mile​
    $2594/150k miles = $.0173/mile​
    $2594/200k miles = $.0129/mile​
    $2594/250k miles = $.0104/mile​

    If you can do the install yourself, you'll be looking at prices copy/pasted from post #5 above:
    $2174/100k miles = $.0217/mile​
    $2174/150k miles = $.0144/mile​
    $2174/200k miles = $.0108/mile​
    $2174/250k miles = $.0086/mile​
     
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    The hubs and I are young 40-somethings. I'm an author, so I'll write until I drop because it's what I love to do. :D

    Thanks for the detailed breakdown. What's the warranty on a replacement battery from Toyota? I've searched, but all I've found are discussion of the original 8/100k or 10/150k warranty.

    I'm not opposed to salvage or remanufactured, but if the warranty on the new one is good, that might be a deciding factor.
     
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    New car in California a CARB state battery warranty is 10 years or 150,000 miles.
     
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    So when my traction battery dies, do I get *another* 10 / 150 on a new Toyota battery, or is that only if the *car* is new?
     
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    According to the article by Lucious Garage, ONE Year for a NEW battery. Can't confirm this w/ any local Toyota dealership as the parts department are all closed.

    I am currious though. I hope its not ONE year.
     
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    Yeah, one year on a NEW OEM battery? That's... lame. ;)
     
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    Yup. Called a local Toyota dealership this afternoon. $4k for parts and labor, and ONE year warranty. Premium mark-up on labor rate.
     
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    The parts warranty on any Toyota part is for a one-year duration, whether an engine, transaxle, inverter, traction battery, etc.
     
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    Any suggestions on how to find an independent mechanic in the Philadelphia area that specializes in hybrids? I need a new battery, too ...