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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Jason Walker, Feb 27, 2013.

  1. Jason Walker

    Jason Walker New Member

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    I bought a 2006 Prius last October and it's been a great car so far. On Monday while I was driving home from work a bunch of warning lights came on. The car drove okay for the next couple miles and then the recharging system seemed to go a little haywire. The battery meter went down to one purple bar and then charged up to full green very quickly (within 1/2 mile or so). Once it hit full green it didn't want to use the battery power so the engine kept trying to charge the system. I tried putting the transmission in "B" while I was going downhill to avoid using regenerative braking but the car kept shuddering and charging the battery.

    Got it home. Let it sit for a couple hours and jumped into Maintenance mode. The 12V battery was hovering between 11.8V and 11.9V with the car off. Turning the headlights on dropped it down to 11.2-11.3V. The battery level jumped to 14.0V with the car running. Not completely trusting the computer, I also used a multimeter and it read 12.4V with the car off.

    After pulling the negative cable for 15 minutes the warning lights disappeared and I was able to drive to work this morning without issue. This afternoon however when I went to turn the car on after work, the same lights popped up and and the same odd behavior with the battery meter going to one bar, jumping up to full green, and then not charging/discharging correctly (shuddering when battery was fully charged and charging system was still trying to feed it power).

    After searching around a little it sounds like the problem could be a bad 12V battery (although the multimeter indicated 12.4V with the engine off), a bad cell in the main battery pack, or possibly a bad inverter pump. Any thoughts?
     
  2. Patrick Wong

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    Yes, you can determine if the inverter coolant pump is the problem by making the Prius READY and looking for fluid turbulence in the inverter coolant reservoir. If you don't see turbulence then you know the pump has failed or there is air in the system.
     
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    Have you ever used a code scanner/reader?

    Most times, one or more diagnostic trouble codes (DTC) will be stored that you can access through the OBDII port
    at the bottom of the instrument panel below the steering wheel.

    Since it seems you don't have a code reader, go to Autozone or Advance Auto and have them
    read the codes for you. Then at least you'll have the starting point to track down
    the source of your problem.

    The shuddering you described isn't good. Don't continue driving it until you
    find out what's wrong.
     
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    Sorry did not read your post thoroughly befor replying. Did battery voltage read with multimeter stabilize when headlights were turned on?
     
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    Have you checked fluid levels and as Patrick has stated for inverter pump flow?
     
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    I checked the inverter pump reservoir like you guys suggested and I can't see any fluid movement with the car in Ready mode (engine is running). I let it run for awhile and even took the cap off to look inside but the fluid never moved.

    I also checked the 12V battery and it still showed 11.9V with all accessories off and 11.4V with the headlights on according to the computer. The multimeter showed 12.16V with no accessories and 11.5V with the headlights on. The voltage remained fairly steady at 11.5V while I checked it for 20 seconds.

    Looks like I need to get the car towed to the nearest dealership and hopefully Toyota will replace the pump under the recall notice.
     
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    Yeah it definitely sounds like your inverter coolant pump has given up the ghost! And to boot, your 12v sounds weak. You've got some drama over there for sure, lol.
     
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    I got it towed to the dealership and they said the main battery pack needs to be replaced. :( They quoted me ~$3000 to replace the pack but I'm thinking there are better options out there. They also didn't think the inverter pump was bad but I didn't see any fluid flow when I looked in the reservoir. *shrugs*

    Any opinions on getting a replacement battery pack through someone like PriusRebuilders.com? They have a replacement pack using Gen II cells for $1200 shipped or with Gen III cells for $1700 shipped.
     
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    Where are you located?
     
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    Yeah, there is more profit in a battery replacement and then a inverter pump replacement. If there is no flow in the inverter reservoir I would want a second opinion.
     
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    I'm located just outside of Kansas City.

    Seems funny to me too. The only problem is I'll have to figure out a way to get it to another dealership (~10-15 miles away) and pay another diagnostic fee. But in the face of paying $3000+ it's probably a good idea to get a second opinion.
     
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    Here's the deal.
    The symptoms you describe are classic to a failed traction battery.

    I've never seen or heard of a failed inverter pump causing these symptoms. A failed inverter pump will normally cause the inverter to overheat and the car will shut down and refuse to drive at all. Then you shut it down, the inverter cools off, the car starts and runs fine until the inverter heats up and shuts the car down again. Most of the time, no codes or warning lights appear.

    It would be helpful to know what codes the dealership got. A call to them should net you the codes. Post them here and we can help you more but, I'm betting its a failed traction battery.
     
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    I defer to usnavystgc. He is more knowledgeable than I. He has a great idea about getting the codes and posting them here. If it is a failed traction battery, some here can provide options.
     
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    Im having same issue with my 04 prius. it showed those 3 lights and has been to 2 dealers stating it might need changing the HV battery. Dealer phoned me 2 days ago that they're definite its the HV battery needing replacement. They also mentioned that they will fix 2 recalls (inverter pump and something else). How can I make sure that they really replaced the battery? they only gave me a year warranty on the battery. 3000 AUD. I'll show receipt here soon as I pick it up today.

    sounded like almost same symptoms as the OP. shudders after abit of a drive, then when im in a stop in traffic I turn off the prius soon as traffic moves i turn it on then prius run likes normal.

    Too long did not read?? -> want to make sure HV battery was replaced... How will I know if they really changed it?
     
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    Ask to visit the car at the point where the old battery has been removed and the system main relays and battery ECU have been moved over to the new battery's enclosure. Then you can watch as the new battery is closed up and installed.
     
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    bit late now for that. picked up the car just now. 3grand later. =(
     
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    Ouch. Let use know how she runs.
     
  18. Jason Walker

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    Thanks for the help gents. The dealership gave me a good deal on a newer Prius and enough in trade-in to make it worth my while. With how hectic life is right now I decided I'd rather not try to fix the thing myself. Normally I enjoy doing my own wrenching but trying to get time off work and plus the $1200-1400 to replace both batteries made me rethink that route.

    Hopefully the newer Prius will work well for many long years.